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inspired by lemmitors at https://lemmy.ml/post/49343381
any guy in it just for women to wear skimpier clothing should probably be investigated.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Type anything negative about Israel and the entire comment section is people saying how this doesn't representat Judaism even when nobody mentioned it

But type something negative about Muslims and all the Reddit Athesists get in line to dunk on them and explain how evil they are. Gleefully discussing about publicly discriminating their clothing.

https://tariqacknickulous.substack.com/p/arabs-and-muslims-the-real-victims

Noam Chomsky highlighted this shift through his own experience as an American Jew, noting that by the 1950s antisemitism in the U.S. had been pushed underground, and Jews were gradually integrated into elite institutions. In its place emerged a new “legitimate” racism: anti-Arab and anti-Muslim bias. Unlike antisemitism, which by the late 20th century had to be hidden, hostility toward Arabs and Muslims could be expressed openly in films, books, politics, and policy:

“Antisemitism is no longer a legitimate form of racism. Anti-Arab bias, is a legitimate form of racism, meaning you don’t have to hide it. In most forms of racism you have to pretend you’re not a racist, so you have to pretend ‘I’m not antisemitic, I’m not anti-Black.’ You may be, but you don’t advertise it. Anti-Arab racism, you’re allowed to advertise. This was way before September 11 […] you see it in films, in books, in attitudes, it’s just not even hidden. Nobody will come out and say, ‘I’m an anti-Arab racist,’ but it’s everywhere, and every Muslim or Arab in the country knows it.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 hours ago

If you're one of those people super against hijab, do a say, duckduckgo image search for "women in headscarves". You will see many cultures represented. They aren't all Muslim, even. Which ones are 'bad' and which 'good'? Would you also ban Orthodox Christians/Jews, or Hindu women from covering their hair? Rasta women?

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago

Got it. Religious freedom as practiced in west is great. Can we move on to more advance topics now?

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

This is goofy. Not one of us can wear whatever we want in USA (and many other countries). All sorts of rules on dress.

Dress codes for restaurants (jackets and ties required)... dress codes for schools (uniforms)... dress codes for jobs (uniforms)... dress codes for gas stations (no shirts, no shoes, no service)... dress codes for banks (can't cover your face or wear sunglasses)...

This is a false issue, used to inflame the dumbest among us. Sadly, it still works.

[–] huey_m@reddthat.com -3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Dress codes for restaurants (jackets and ties required), dress codes for gas stations (no shirts, no shoes, no service)

Now this is goofy... comparing a private business telling you what you're allowed to wear in their business versus a state mandating what you can or can't wear? Come on, man...

dress codes for schools (uniforms)

We have all sorts of extra restricted rights for children. They don't have a lot of rights most adults do in public schools. Free speech is greatly restricted... should the state then extend these restrictions to the wider public because it happens in public schools for children?

Calling this idea goofy when making a false equivalence that should be dispelled with a 101 level understanding of government is the soul of throwing stones from a glass house, dude.

There are definitely arguments for restricting this kind of thing, but this isn't one of them, this is just silly.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Right, so why all the pearl-clutching over head coverings?

[–] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 hours ago

Perhaps because the other dress code constraints are for more universally accepted reasons while the question of things like the hijab/niqab are tied to an inherent contradiction within one of the standard political camps, disrupting the placement of the (un)acceptability line. Wearing a uniform is a sign of responsibility. (If you wear the fuel station attendednts' uniform, you are responsible for the fuel station, etc.) Wearing a minimum quality of clothing is related to the service provided. (Showing up to a black tie restaurant in board shorts and flip flops 'lowers the tone' of the restaurant, which is often more the product being sold than the actual food. In that kind of restaurant, you are paying more for the exclusivity of the space than the chef's produce.) However, Muslim women's headjoys are more fraught because they simultaneously occupy two symbolic spaces, one as a symbol of Islam itself, which is coded as evil by one broad sector of politics and, because of that, something to be protected by the opposition, but the other as a symbol of Muslim patriarchy, which has the exact opposite coding by the standard broad political binary. Resolving the hypocrisy would require abandoning one set of symbols or the other and taking a position currently held by the opposition. Most people aren't willing to do that.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

A Turkish acquaintance of mine from a long time ago introduced me to the idea of reform Islam. I didn't know that it existed, but she was a practitioner. She didn't wear a hijab, she swore when she felt like it, and she wore shorts when it was hot outside. Her prayers were usually sitting quietly and humming to herself when her phone alarm went off. Whenever we did an art project, she'd do this big long prayer to dedicate it.

Nice girl. Hope she's doing okay.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 17 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Idk how it's so difficult for westerners to understand that not all Muslims who consider themselves practicing Muslims observe all parts of the faith. There's so many Catholics who disregard lent, hardly anybody listens to the dietary restrictions, there's almost none who acknowledge Jesus' teachings on wealth. Do all Catholics choose not to use condoms? Do all of them have the same opinion on abortion?

But I do realize it's part of looking at the out-group as a monolith at best and a hive mind at worst.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 6 points 12 hours ago

I think a lot of the reddit type atheists are so far removed from religion in general they only view religious people as a cartoonishly idealized strawman that has no thoughts other than what their book says and their preacher teaches, who every second of every day is thinking only about god and how to be more godly and who believes the simplest interpretation of their religion. I have encountered it quite a few times as well since my username "outs" me as christian.

It's that plus for muslims the sheer racism that makes for a particularly potent mixture of arrogance and ignorance resulting in this weird "white savior thats sneering at their lessers" postings

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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 13 points 20 hours ago

Americans scrapped Roe vs Wade but think bikini = equality

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