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Palm oil is a butter substitute. Every baked product at the grocery store that used to be made with butter is now made with palm oil, because it is cheaper. Palm oil is made up of long highly-saturated fatty acids that cause it to be solid at room temperature, giving it physical properties very similar to butter, making it suitable as a substitute. However saturated fatty acids are bad for your health. Butter is also saturated fat and is also somewhat bad, but palm oil is much worse because the varieties of fatty acids it contains are much different from animal fat fatty acids and the human body metabolizes them differently, so they have a much higher impact. Similar physical properties but worse health properties!

It is nearly impossible to find frozen baked goods that are still made with butter. This pie claims to be made with healthy ingredients, and specifically touts its butter content, but it conveniently omits mentioning palm oil entirely. Since palm oil appears first on the ingredients list before butter, that means there is more of it. Possibly almost the entire "butter-like" fraction of the pie consists of palm oil.

This pie alone contains 400% daily value saturated fat, which is terrible for long-term health. I love apple pies and I was planning to eat this pie as my sole food over the course of 2 days for my One-Meal-A-Day (OMAD), but I'm not willing to risk eating palm oil. Thanks for nothing for getting my hopes up, pie box!

  • traditional wholesome German ingredients like palm oil
  • palm oil - just the way grandma used to make at home
  • contains memories of butter

I'm sure someone below will mention how palm oil is also bad for the environment and bad for the farmers and bad for the economy. I will only be answering questions about the film Rampart.

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[–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Butter is actually pretty safe for the pancreas, so is coconut and palm kernel oil to some extent

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 102 points 5 days ago (6 children)

The bad thing about palm oil isn't how unhealthy it is (because what it is replacing isn't healthy either); the bad thing is that palm farmers have destroyed many thousands of square miles of rain forest. When you fly from Singapore to Jakarta, virtually all rain forest you used to fly over is now palm. It's an unmitigated environmental disaster.

[–] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 16 points 5 days ago (7 children)

You're right, but if we used butter instead, the necessary cows would surely require yet more space.

[–] notsosure@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It’s not a choice between palm oil or butter. You can create a vegan pie easily. Yummie yummie.

[–] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 days ago (7 children)
[–] notsosure@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nope, it contains bits and pieces of orangutans.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It depends on your definition of veganism. There is no animal product in it, but to use it in the quantities we do requires the destruction of a lot of habitat that certain animals require to survive.

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[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 38 points 4 days ago

Worried about health. Planned to eat nothing but pie for 2 days.

Wat?

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 39 points 4 days ago

Who eats pie thinking it's healthy?

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I was with you at the beginning, but—

This pie alone contains 400% daily value saturated fat, which is terrible for long-term health.

A single serving only contains 40%. Not great, but not as terrible as you're making it out to be. (And unlike a lot of packaged food, the size of a serving here is pretty reasonable.) Very few foods are good for long-term health when eaten alone, and singling out this particular one because it doesn't fit with your specific use case weakens your argument.

They are lying about the ingredients. That's true, and it should be noted because false advertising is terrible for consumers. Not because it's bad for a one-meal-a-day fad diet, but because it's bad in general for anyone who buys a product based on what is on the label.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You probably shouldn't be eating an entire pie every day. That isn't going to be good for you, even if it was made with the very best ingredients available.

[–] Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Agreed. Best to diversify pie intake. Apple, chocolate, blueberry etc.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 15 points 4 days ago

However saturated fatty acids are bad for your health.

Saturated Fats have been much maligned by Ancel Key's lipid heart hypothesis, but it doesn't stand up to modern scrutiny - https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jacc.2020.05.077

Saturated fats are not bad for your health.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 days ago (9 children)

For all those decrying the ethics of palm oil - you are aware of the yields per hectare of the various plant oils, right?

  • Soybean: 0.47 ton oil/ha/year
  • Sunflower: 0.78 ton oil/ha/year
  • Rapeseed: 0.74 ton oil/ha/year
  • Palm Oil: 3.36 tons oil/ha/year

Would anybody like to suggest how to switch away from palm oils without deforesting what remains of the Amazon?

[–] Buckshot@programming.dev 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The difference is the others don't require a tropical environment to grow. So you can grow them without any deforestation.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Globally, palm oil occupies approximately 19 million hectares (about 47 million acres) of land.

Despite supplying over one-third of the world's vegetable oil, this footprint is remarkably small—using less than 10% of the total land allocated to all oil-producing crops worldwide.

Where are you suggesting to find another 500 million acres of land, a tad more than the size of Alaska, without environmental impact?

[–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (6 children)

The obvious answer is some of the Land used to grow soybeans and corn for animal feed.

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[–] consumptionone@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Aren't some of those plants grown in plains? I don't think the yield per hectare is the whole story. Palm oil is tropical, leading to deforestation, but at least some of the others you listed are not.

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[–] nerdspice@lemmy.zip 38 points 5 days ago (3 children)
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[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I'm pretty skeptical that palm oil is more unhealthy than butter. The farming practices surrounding it's production are not wholesome sure. But it tastes good and cost less than butter.

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[–] danciestlobster@lemmy.zip 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Palm oil is also bad for farmers, the environment, and the economy

Also this company is owned by the dickhead maga mayor in my state that we struggle against constantly. So, fascist pies.

Sorry, genuinely. This is a shitty thing to learn post purchase

[–] TauZero@mander.xyz 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Thankfully I always check ingredients before purchase. Haven't had my fill of apple pie in months. 😭

this company is owned by the dickhead maga mayor in my state

The plot thickens!

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[–] DougPiranha42@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Good find, it’s shady as fuck they healthy-wash the processed food. But your post is also interesting for a second reason- you care about eating healthy and do some specific diet, and yet you plan to live on frozen apple pie, whose nutritional value, traditional or not, is practically just sugar with fat? Unexpected choice for a conscious diet.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Honestly, that part about eating nothing but pie for two days makes me feel like this is a ~~mood~~ mild but elaborate troll.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It still says "butter" in the ingredients so they're not lying.

Remember that laws are pedantic, and if there isn't some strict regulation on how much % of something must have butter in order to legally be described as "made with butter", then adding a teaspoon of butter to the entire product and substituting the rest with palm oil is still technically "made with butter".

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[–] Sergio@piefed.social 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That "handmade touch" claim sounds like BS too. wtf does "hand-crisped crust" mean? and something tells me "filled by hand" just means that a human hand pushed a button. "This pie is meticulously crafted" LOLZ thanks, Michaelangelo.

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[–] 4grams@awful.systems 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This shit drives me up a wall. I try to only buy peanut butter made out of peanuts, so for years now I’ve been buying “natural” peanut butter. I recently noticed however that 100% “natural” doesn’t mean shit as all the natural brands are loaded with palm oil. I honestly might have to start making my own.

It sucks because my family treats me like an insane person when I look at the ingredients and nutrition of the food stuff we buy. Food culture in the US is awful, just awful.

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[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (24 children)

The misleading advertising aside (seems bad, but it's not what I want to focus on), you claim that palm oil is bad for a person's health.

This article claims with evidence that it is likely no worse than other saturated fats and may in fact be better for overall health than other sources of saturated fat: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4365303/

I am truly interested to know if palm oil is much worse than other saturated fats, so if you have additional source worth reviewing it would be appreciated.

The authors do not note any conflicts of interest either, hopefully they were honest.

Other facts about palm oil which are commonly raised are the sustainability. I did not look into this aspect and further research may be needed.

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[–] BeUnique@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

What are you talking about? This is just like grandma used to make it! With a heaping glob of palm oil scooped out by her palm, measured by eye yet always coming out the same constant taste.

Too bad after the 18th heart attack, poor Mee Maw is in heaven now but she sure did love her palm oil.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Also, palm oil means child labor

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

As a Malaysian, one of the world's leading exporters of palm oil, no it fucking doesn't. Source ethical if that's a concern, just like chocolate or coffee or tea, but don't tar the entire industry with the same brush.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

German here and I can say I'm turning around half the cartons in the supermarket and check for palm oil. I'll try to buy alternatives. Though it's really hard. It's either price increase, shrinkflation or cheaper ingredients. Oftentimes a combination of those.

In case of the Apple Pie: Channel the German grandma inside of you and bake it yourself. It's not too hard. Takes an hour or so, though.

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