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Just want to say, I bought a framework 13 and it's fantastic. Been running arch off of it for two years and it's been a workhorse.

It was expensive comparable to a similar specced PC at the time but I make enough to vote with my wallet so that's what I did. I think anyone who has the money but doesn't, simply because there's a better deal that's worse for the environment and the makers of the item, while holding a right to repair or anti-corporate mindset are hypocritical at best.

The world gets better if we make it that way, and I see buying a framework (if you have the extra money) as a small step in a better direction.

motherfuckers acting like those laptops aren't five hundred bajillion dollars

Who would have thought a more expensive, more premium product would have a hard time finding customers during a time when people are struggling to pay bills and cant even afford the non-existent dollar menu at mcdonalds anymore.

Honestly, why would I spend thousands on a framework, when I can spend 3x less or more, with a used thinkpad, that is already fairly repairable?

If I was rich, sure, I'd buy a framework in a heartbeat, but am not rich, yet . . . . . . .

The article is clanker slop. It's mostly reiterative, a clear sign of clanker slop. Clankers are reiterative in their slop. A lot of clanker slop is reiterative.

If I were god king of (USA/Europe/Asia...the Universe), I would subsidize repairable laptops. It would save resources in the long run, for both humanity and the planet.

The idea of repairable notebooks sound good, except it's done by getting filtered through the tech bro lens. Still an ultrabook, the ports must be interchangeable modules to amaze the investors/users.

This proves that making a product twice as expensive actually does decrease sales significantly if you aren't Apple.

This may seem weird but I dislike the aspect ratio of their screens.

I have a desktop with 16:9 monitors and a laptop with 16:10.

Those are close enough that your workflow doesn't really change. But 2:3 is different enough it makes a difference.

That and for what they are they're crazy expensive. So I went for a Slimbook (kinda the Spanish version of Tuxedo). They're not perfect but I found them "good enough".

I have bought and returned 2 framework laptops. They are repairable but they are also questionable build quality.

The screen on the Framework 12 is very subpar and the size and weight throw it out of being a light laptop.

Despite saying how good Linux support was running NixOS on the replacement Framwork 13 was not great either. Wireless drops and countless reports of drops on their forums with zero responses or workarounds. Most people buy replacement wireless adapters cause the one Framework ships just doesn't work.

On top of that the laptop just feel cheap with a steep price. I have hope for the new Pro, but we'll have to see if it's any good because so far I am pretty dissapointed with Framework.

I would love to have a Framework laptop. Those things are awesome as hell.

Unfortunately, my very old laptop that I've torn down and repaired over a dozen times is still kicking. And spending $100 to fix it is cheaper than spending a gazillion dollars on a new Framework.

To me it is that i upgrade to few times so the laptop would be 10 years old and then everything is out of date. Maybe upgrade battery in between. However, I guess these are really good in the used(resold) market.

Yikes, XDA's reporting has really gone downhill since being bought out.

I haven't needed to buy a laptop since the company existed. If I did they'd be a strong contender

They value a laptop that excels at providing value for money, a compact design, battery life, and brand familiarity.

Value for money on what timescale? Most seem to only think about the price vs the functionality a few days after purchase. Longer term, the ability to upgrade and repair components instead of pitching the whole thing would be higher value for money, but that's not how most consumers think.

A compact design is nice, but not the be-all-end-all if Framework can get in a reasonable size/weight range.

Battery life is an oxymoron here... the main issue I have with laptop battery life is after a few years of use it dwindles, eventually to zero. When the battery isn't replaceable, or is a proprietary form factor which costs nearly as much as a new laptop - that results in horrible battery life and value for money performance, but does generate new unit sales for non-repairable laptops.

Honestly if the average person can’t buy it at Best Buy or Target, they won’t. Most people don’t know about this stuff.

Wherever a random coworker or family member asks me which of two laptops to buy, it’s always between a couple of prebuilt machine at a big box retailer.

I love the idea of Framework myself, but I can’t afford to buy one.

Too niche for the average buyer, too expensive for the rest of us.

Lmk when they're corebooted.

Otherwise I'll stick with system76 or starlabs.

Almost nobody is willing to buy one

repairability enthusiasts have bought Framework laptops in the hundreds of thousands

Pick a lane there, XDA...

Framework is great, but it's just so insanely expensive.

I was buying a new laptop about 2 years ago. A framework one cost more than twice the price of a regular ultrabook with comparable (but better) specs.

Sure, you pay more for a Framework, and you can upgrade it later instead of buying a new laptop. Makes sense, but even then - a Framework one is more expensive than 2 laptops with similar specs. It only gets cheaper on the third upgrade. Which for me may be 10 years away.

Personally I'm not thrilled about investing in a laptop that will pay off in a decade. Who knows what laptops will be like by that time. Hell, it's not unconceivable that devices like Framework will be outlawed. Or that Framework goes out of business.

It might make sense for people who upgrade often, but I don't. Or for people who don't, but are wealthy enough to pay the premium anyway. If anything, I feel like having a Framework would make me want to upgrade more often, which would be a waste of money.

Having linus on board is terrible advertising for something that is meant to be good.

I'm increasingly comfortable being in n the almost nobody category. You should be too, after all almost nobody uses Lemmy.

Not in the market for a laptop currently but I do intend to keep them in mind since I use Linux.

Yes, pretend it's something wrong with the right idea (a repairable /upgradable device) and not the fact that America took a giant, wet trump all over the entire economy and a combo meal at mcdonalds is $16 with a small, non-refillabke drink and everything else is exponentially fucked from there.

Give us a reasonable pre-trump PC market, with this being a slight premium above that, do projections to normalize cost of ownership over say 10 years and it would grow. But we live here, so no.