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google search results are still kind of useful especially for non-english language queries, anyone knows a good alternative?
searxng also doesn't really seem to work these days..
I replaced SearxNG with degoog on my server. Feels very much like Google, yet it is not. I did enable Google for search results and image, but it refuses to work (good). Am using DuckDuckGo and Startpage instead, through degoog, of course.
searxng also doesn't really seem to work these days..
Of note, this depends on the instance. I occasionally hop between public instances whenever one is no longer reliable. Google and friends are blocking requests from SearXNG instances because it is in their business interests to kill competition
As for alternatives, I would avoid DDG since they seem to be going a similar route as Google with a front page filled with ads and the emphasis towards their chatbot is not to my taste. Plus, DDG is hosted in the U.S., so privacy-wise it's not as good. Startpage was purchased by an American advertising company some time ago, which isn't great. Brave Search is also one, but they are doing some shady things on their browser with crypto and whatnot, so I don't particularly trust them. Plus, they are an American for-profit.
Qwant and Ecosia are solid options, the former is a French for-profit and the latter a German non-profit, and they are working towards an independent European search index that is being trialled in France! Both are quite good, Qwant is shinier and magical blue, while Ecosia is simpler and earthy green.
Ecosia also uses a portion of their revenue for planting trees, which is really neat, and they are super transparent about where their earnings go!
I personally use a mix of SearXNG and Ecosia, and I sometimes use Qwant too for certain queries.
recently saw this article here, i'm not sure if ecosia is a good solution now. their results seem mostly identical to ddg/bing too though it's occasionally better than them for some reason
qwant is good, but they geoblock certain countries including mine since 2023 or so. having to use proxy/vpn for just searching really sucks
their results seem mostly identical to ddg/bing too though it's occasionally better than them for some reason
I believe Ecosia uses either Google or Bing search indexes depending on the region, but they are working on an independent index with Qwant that will hopefully be a good alternative! If you live in France, it's already bring trialled!
But yeah, Ecosia is like any search engine and there is bit of greenwashing with LLMs and all. However, they are a non-profit with transparent earnings reports, and that makes them better than Google, Bing, DDG, etc. for me.
they geoblock certain countries including mine since 2023 or so
Dang, that sucks.
Ecosia also has an LLM which make little sense with their mission IMO
That's fair enough (unfortunately, this is the case for most search engines aside from SearXNG instances I think)! Thankfully they do let you disable it, which is nice. I mostly like that they are quite transparent about how they operate! The planting trees thing is a nice bonus, but they certainly aren't saints to the environment, no search engine is
Ecosia
Chat gpt says the search results are served by Bing and Google. You're not escaping Google, just the AI.
Thus the "working towards an independent European search index" part of the comment you ignored while talking with your autocomplete bot.
Did we all forget that Google used to give give an answer at the top of the page before Ai?
No I saw it but because the question would've been answered by Google anyways before the gemini thing I just used chatgpt to ask it who services Ecosia like T-Mobile servicing Mint. If they took away Ai, we'd still have the answer box that Google would've given and then we'd still have to double check our sources.
Chat gpt says
Bro, stop. Get some help. At least check the sources it used…
Well I did double check it by simply googling my query that I asked chatgpt, and what do you know even Ecosia says it on their site
source: https://support.ecosia.org/article/579-search-results-providers
I've been using startpage.com since I've went back to Ubuntu. Came as the stock search engine with Vivaldi and I like how it looks and feels so I use it. I switch off between Google and startpage.
I'd been a Vivaldi user for a while too but the latest version killed Ublock Origin, so sad to say the browser is now dead to me.
I never even knew about Ublock until now. That's fucked they wouldn't add support for Vivaldi. It's so versatile!!!
It's more complicated than that. I'll spare you, but I recommend the forks of Firefox like Librewolf, Floorp, etc.
Librewolf
Well shit. If they got a browser I gotta use it.
"internet indexer" should really be a government / EU / UN sponsored public utility thing. And then you have front ends that can improve the search query and filter and sort the results.
I don't know how much it would cost / how large a data center it would take to cache the web pages like google does. But there is just no reason to have so much wealth / advertising drain from the public for such a fundamental thing.
Site maps on all websites should come back. Being able to navigate every service the site offers rather than downloading the app and using fuck all directions from a shitty side bar that lags and then you're redirected to an Ai assistant that tells you inconvenient hours of when you can actually talk to a real human. All because the navigation is fucked up and everything is relying on automation and laziness.
There’s probably going to be a large data center or 10 for sale in a few years 🤞🏻
And all of them will be borderline useless for actual compute
Sociologically, economically and environmentally, these data centers aren't going to be feasible. Our planet can not sustain them. You can build a nuclear energy site in every state, you will have fails and net losses, you will have nuclear, biological and chemical contamination along the way amd you will destroy lives trying to make a form of automation better.
That is what the observation I've had is. Is unless we put these things near propane sources or have them generating their own c02 as a coolant or having them do anything else but use water based energy even nuclear rods being soaked for steam based energy isn't going to save the data centers it will only make things worse.
Also nuclear power plants are just massive targets for enemies. Right now it's airforce bases and potential silos, you add nuclear power plants into the mix and have those in major civilian areas that's now something an enemy can leverage. Bet you all never thought of that one.
I think we will see the effort of Ai die out and it will be the world coming back to its senses and it'll be one for the history books.
The future will be like, we gave up artificial intelligence because our planet would get fucked badly.
It's not meant for this planet and trying to make it work out is a fatal, futile, worthless endeavor.
Agreed. The internet is a utility at this point. Its required for many things included services the government runs already.
The modern internet is getting filthier by the day. Gone are the days where independent software used to be a thing I suppose.
A few months ago before joined lemmy I said to my friends and family, we're going to see an open-source revolution where people are going to start going in on community based ideas. There's nothing like it either.
Coming together to make an open source project happen is one of those things that makes my back do that happy drippy feeling because everyone gets a say and their input is heard plus a lot of people who give their input aren't even looking for a pay, nonetheless want to be credited unless were hands-on with a project (like a coder).
Every single thing that's open source is for the people. Everything that is closed is for the greedy ass corporations.
yet another google "proxy" : https://www.lukol.com/
not a proxy, it directly uses google cse on client side so it's no better than directly using google
Duckduckgo is surprisingly okay, even with non-english queries by using the region selector (your experience may vary)
Isn't it just Bing with privacy? Or do they use their own tweeks or something? It's what I use nowadays since google never finds anything i search for
DDG is an US based company. They will comply to all the patriot act bullshit and pipeline all your searches to the NSA...
If they really cared about privacy they wouldn't be based in the US.
just don't "google it".
Ahh, use an LLM instead, got it, thanks!
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