This is the result of them promoting an astroturf separatist movement which they weaponized to force the federal government to let them pollute the planet unhindered, under threat of destroying the country.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Surprise, surprise. Carney is still a neoliberal.

[–] TheBloodFarts@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We all knew it, the alternative was a dumb fuck hell bent on dividing the country

[–] BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah. That was the best we had to offer. Not a good omen.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

What's a really disturbing red flag for me is he keeps touting carbon capture as a solution to offset the new damage. Feels like marketing strategy to allay the fears of people who don't have the time to look into its effectiveness. I thought CCS was just something he used during the campaign and won't be actually leaning into.

[–] Teacrumble@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Best intermediate technological solution while demand keeps increasing. Fossil fuels aren’t going away any time soon, so any investment around CCU and alternatives, together with societal change, will be very welcome.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

Capture is better than nothing, but it is far from the best option.

Still, it is at least doing something.

Hopefully it isn't the only measure that will be taken.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The best solution is electrification. Solar and batteries. The rest is just deluding ourselves.

[–] Cleisthenes72@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago (12 children)

I admit I voted for this scumbag's party for the first time ever strategically (I thought) in order to prevent an even bigger scumbag in PP from becoming PM. Considering his actions in office re: climate I will NEVER vote Liberal again

[–] Gnumile@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This kind of approach is why the NDP hasn't had any presence in Ontario for years. Many people took the attitude of "I'll never vote NDP again" because of Bob Rae. Guess what.... Different people can have different ideas and priorities, even if they belong to the same political party.

[–] Cleisthenes72@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

True. I am an NDP voter generally but faced with the state of the party last election coupled with the spectre of PP as PM (really any position with more authority than dog catcher tbh) I held my nose and voted Liberal. After having lived in Ottawa and meeting a load of Liberals (arrogant scum is an understatement...the stories I could tell) I should have known better. Lesson learned.

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[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Man this sub really hates the guy. Other places I see people praising him, and the other half hating him. No one in the middle even. Last I saw his polling numbers were at their highest peak, not sure where they are at now.

What makes this place so hostile?

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People here lean left more than most other places. Carney is, without a doubt, more right leaning than Trudeau, who many already struggled with his neolib policies. Shifting FURTHER into those policies isn't going to make this place like him

[–] GrackleBirb@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Yes. This. Lemmy seems to attract a lot of people who think we are on the brink of an imminent socialist revolution. While I admire many things about socialism, living in SW Ontario way outside Toronto I would just settle for not seeing anti-abortion billboards and F*CK CARNEY stickers everywhere and continuing to resist the right-wing nonsense taking over many other Western countries. (No, not just the US....Le Pen, Meloni, the list goes on...)

In all reality, we will never be able to get a party in majority that supports eradicating corporate entities, banning ICE (by this I mean gas powered vehicles btw - anything related to the American government agency should absolutely never be present here) vehicles immediately, establishing UBI, etc etc - these things will not happen in extremes that will slowly happen here and there and some won't at all. The goal right now is "least shitty" not "The Great Socialist Revolution" but this is a community with many idealists and that's cool but just remember that when you read some of these posts.

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 17 points 6 days ago (3 children)

To anyone reading this, I'd remind you that local politics are THE MOST important. You can far more easily get local politicians in who are extremely progressive, and begin movement from there. The lack of parties means its much simpler to run, and most people don't even bother voting. Plus those changes can have drastic impacts on what you see and do on a daily basis.

[–] kahnclusions@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

Especially so in Canada. The politics that affects like 95% of your daily life is local and provincial. It infuriates me when I hear people blame all their problems on the PM that are actually the responsibility of your local or provincial government. Blaming Trudeau (or now Carney) for Doug Ford’s faults.

Housing, healthcare, education, public transport, urban planning, welfare, labour standards? It’s all exclusive jurisdiction of the provinces.

[–] GrackleBirb@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

This is absolutely true - while my riding is a complete waste and shithole that will always vote Conservative, we have had many progressive people on our town council and in mayoral positions.

[–] Gnumile@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

The kicker is that who you vote for locally is also the party/leader you're voting for at the provincial/federal level and that's a terrible system.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It may be easier to get socialist (in practice, not labels) politicians elected where the Fuck Carney signs are than a politician that doesn't Fuck Carney themselves. Not a socialist that peddles the whole program a downtown Toronto leftist wants, but an appropriate subset that helps their community in real ways by actually working against corporate interests. After all that's happened before. The real issues affect most of us and I think that's gonna get more obvious to more people in the years to come.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Some people hate Carney becauae PP's not PM. We hate Carney because of (some of) the shit he does. We're not the same.jpg

Also plenty of us voted for him and some contributed to his campaign. Even tho we did not expect much more than blocking PP, we still salty when he shits on unions or lays off wildfire experts.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

We sr enot hating on him. We are hating his objective evil actions

[–] Polyphilic@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

It seems like these people have a particular level of privilege not awarded to others.

Lemmy seems to attract a level of outcast which enables more extreme views.

It also seems to attract a level of extremism.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

I don't "hate" Mark Carney. This isn't personal. What I hate is many of his policies.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

I couldn't give a shit and he comes off as insincere.

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[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Carney is a fiscal conservative, so let's get that straight. His concerns are Canadian independence, sovereignty and growth. He's thinking about keeping the country economically viable and strong through this period of turmoil and "new world order" shift as the US is keen to dump its global hegemony.

Now...... with that said, I'm sure he does care about the climate, but it totally takes a back seat to these other issues which he sees as being essentially existential.

I think it's an order of priorities and people who service the constant crisis/boom cycle of capitalism will never get correct. Humans are party animals and no amount of good sense is going to change that. It's going to take burning this bitch to the ground and immense loss of life to change tack, and only then it will be because it becomes the predominant existential problem.

As long as most people can still shit somewhat comfortably, nothing will be done to upset that directly, ever. This is why so many bad things can happen and the average person wont lift a finger, because they still have a nice seat waiting for them at home to shit on.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Carney is a fiscal conservative, so let’s get that straight. His concerns are Canadian independence, sovereignty and growth

for the 1% wealthy Canadians...

Now… with that said, I’m sure he does care about the climate, but it totally takes a back seat to these other issues which he sees as being essentially existential.

Then he doesn't care... that is like saying "I care about my second son but will pay no mind to him while my first one needs literally anything". "Business growth" will never take a back seat, and it will never not need tax cuts for the rich or austerity for the poor

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 18 points 6 days ago

If Carney cared about the Canadian economy.

He'd seize and rebuild the refineries that Brian Mulroney(also a fiscal con) allowed to be moved to Washington State. As it is, US oil companies get to sell our raw product offshore and worse, then sell it back to us. BC communities assume a risk of annihilation for zero benefit.
He'd put oil pipelines to Ontario/New Bruinswick/Nova Scotia with the intent of shipping oil to Europe. You know, a market that actually wants and needs more.
He'd tell the US lumber lobby to pound sand and help rural BC instead of them being ignored by all except the reform party crazies.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago

His only concern is serving the coorporates

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago

If he cared about sovereignty, he wouldn't entertain Alberta separatism and should try to call it out for what it is.

Mark's concerns are the bottom line. Always have been. Guy's net worth is 10mil - i don't think he even knows what the average Canadian (i.e. 1/4 go hungry) even feel.

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