John McCain wouldn't have been a citizen if this law had been in place at the time of his birth.
Not that they give a shit.
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The Republican party now recognizes that McCain was a loser, because winners don't get caught. If Trump wanted to revoke McCain's citizenship post-mortem, some scumsucker in the House would draft a bill.
Colonies*
Okay but anyone born in DC doesn’t get to be a citizen either.
These people are so hateful.
Most people in DC are pretty progressive, actually
Republicans who support this are just racists. No more. No less. Whether these Republicans are insane, incompetent, or evil, they are simply wrong. Stop discriminating against American babies!
Honestly what is the issue? Most countries don't have birth right citizenship. Seems to be more common in the "New world" which understand. But times change and bow we can be around the world in less then a day. Honestly am I missing something?
Then make an Amendment; that's the legal way to change this. The only way.
Republicans ~~who support this~~ are just racists.
At this point, if you're still hanging around with the fascists, you've become a fascist.
This is a fair criticism. We are deep into a second Trump Presidency so there's no more excuses to being ignorant of the complicit fascism. We live in the information age of the 21st Century. It's past time to be ignorant or ill-informed of softly supporting evil.
Immigration law in the US is and has always has been racist. The first federal immigration law was called the Chinese Exclusion act for fucks sake.
Make it retroactive, then kick everyone out back to their country of origin.
Let the natives take back their land and govern in their ancestral way.
Problem solved.
Republicans: Yes, I support this, because I am from America and obviously it means they'll kick out everyone but us.
Oh look, the fascists are doing racist shit. Must be a day that ends with a “y”.
And yet I'm sure these great thinkers don't want to admit any of these territories as states, and they don't want to relinquish their claims over them, so... What? They want to create an underclass of people on US soil who aren't a part of any nation?
Disgusting.
I mean, yes, they want to create an underclass of people in US soil by any metric possible.
That's, like, literally the entire point of conservatism.
That's the entire point of capitalism* ftfy
It would end up probably like American Samoa, which its people are U.S. Nationals, not citizens.
TIL
So they got shot down in court (by their own hand-picked court, no less!) for trying to do this nationwide, and now they think they can do it in US territories, like that's a special case where the US Constitution doesn't apply?
They can do it in the territories. The ones that grant citizenship by birth were giving that through Congress passing laws for it. American Somoa does not grant citizenship by birth, instead its people are U.S. Nationals, but not citizens.
American Somoa does not grant citizenship by birth, instead its people are U.S. Nationals, but not citizens
At this point, they should consider it a blessing.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
Are US territories not in the United States? The language of the 14th amendment seems quite clear on this.
They are, but they are treated differently. Through a bunch of racist decisions the supreme court allows them to be treated differently. They felt that the people of the territories weren't civilized enough to participate in our democracy. They're called the Insular Cases and very racist.
Congress eventually passed laws granting citizenship to people in the territories, except American Samoa.
The 14th applying to the territories has been ignored repeatedly by the courts.
Not that they care, probably, but doesn't this run against UN conventions because these people would essentially be stateless?
Trump doesn’t care about the UN or international law.
Or any laws, really, unless he’s using them to oppress people he doesn’t like.
Birthright citizenship is by no means the standard. It's not rare, but most of the world does not use it. Most of them are in the Americas, but that whole thing gets complicated.
Most countries grant citizenship to the children of their citizens. IOW, the child inherits citizenship from its parents. If nothing else, the mother is going to be known by nature of the birth, and the child would have at least her citizenship.
(Exceptions exist, but they exist for Jus Soli as well)
This is true. I was thinking of some worst-case scenarios as to implementation where they decide that those people who gave birth to those children weren't really American or whatnot. I would not put it past the administration to deny applications for any and every reason they think they can get away with.
UN conventions because these people would essentially be stateless?
You think the cult cares?
Twofold thoughts on this. First, it's the same thing they do everywhere: if they can't get the big win, they start chipping away at the edges, the fringe cases that let them establish precedents they can use later.
And secondly, it's a defensive move, to further differentiate the territories from the states, so that future efforts to give statehood to these areas will fail. In a really cynical viewpoint, it establishes subservient status for territories, including future "acquisitions" like they keep referring to
Wouldn't that be unconstitutional unless those territories are removed from US jurisdiction?
It's never stopped them before