Hey look, they CAN do something other than bomb the place into rubble and shoot everything that moves.
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They can also force confessions of terrorism! Pretty bold headline that's parroting IDF propaganda, if you ask me. Wouldn't say this article belongs in a news community.
Funny how the anti-Israel crowd moves the goal posts from there is no evidence to, this is IDF propaganda and can't be trusted. I guess the footage they released of Hamas tunnels was also faked? The footage of belligerents shooting from the hospital too?
On one of those videos that the Israeli soldiers filmed themselves and then posted (because they don't think they've done anything wrong), there's one where they're singing a song about attacking their enemies and one of the lyrics was something to the effect of "there are no civilians" among the Palestinians.
Of course, if the Israelis think that there are no Palestinian civilians, that means that every Palestinian is an enemy soldier, and therefore a legitimate target. :/
Source?
Can you show me 40 decapitated babies?
I will start to consider trusting them after that.
More than 100 bodies found in Israeli kibbutz Be’eri after Hamas attack (CNN) I don't know whether they are decapitated or not, but these are who IDF fight against, babies murderers.
The point was that the IDF made a big deal in the opening days about how they had found forty decapitated babies, and used that as proof of how bad Hamas was.
That was the one where they went too far and everybody started wanting proof of so outlandish a claim.
I really wish I could find the video where the IDF guy say something like” we know we have lied in the past but this time it is different.”
Those babies are where people started doubting them and looking at everything so clearly
It isn't related to this article.
The article state facts, and they'll remain facts until otherwise proofed regarding this article.
You could very well be right, but even if true it gives the lie to weeks of their excuses for how they have handled this so far.
This is also true. Any way you cut it, the IDF are the villains in this story.
Who will save the Palestinian population from Hamas, that setup military cells in civil buildings, schools and hospitals?
Did anyone tried to save them?
Did anyone succeed saving them?
By the current ongoing IDF revelations, since Israel disengaged from Gaza (2005) as an attempt to give Palestinians independence, there was ongoing terror prosper, not Palestinians prosper, but terror prosper.
You are being wrong saying it's a propaganda because this is not a lie. It's an official report from within Gaza.
I have no doubt there are official confessions obtained via coercion including threats and possible torture.
I do have a doubt, because there is no proof it happened.
However, there is a proof that weapons were found next to baby incubators.
After Hamas killed more than 100 babies with their own hands, I actually won't have a doubt they'll put weapons next to these babies.
You can have doubt, you can not believe it, it's ok, but facts are facts.
Hamas is brutal and bad for the Palestinians, prove me otherwise.
Those soldiers went in after the bombings. You're inaccurately implying that they should have gone in without air support, which would have caused massive casualties to their side.
which would have caused massive casualties to their side.
And those are the only casualties that matter!
No they don't.
Yeah, I trust this about as much as I trust the story that Hamas was storing guns and grenades in the same room as an MRI machine.
You don't have to trust it, but currently, it's a fact unless otherwise provided.
No, it’s not. It’s not fact until it’s verified.
It was verified by multiple media sources:
- https://themessenger.com/news/gaza-hospital-incubators-weapons-israel-hamas-war
- https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3245350/israel-says-weapons-found-80-hamas-members-arrested-gazas-kamal-adwan-hospital
- https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/u-n-calls-for-investigation-of-deaths-at-hospital-israel-says-was-hamas-command-center-7c02ac1d?mod=middle-east_news_article_pos1
Who determined they were terrorists? How were those confessions gained?
So those guns they are holding above their heads and bullet proof vests are medical utensils according to you.
The terrorists are the IDF.
I reported this comment as "Irrelevant accusation"
Relevant and clearly obvious. No accusation.
I disagree, and it's not relevant to this post.
That doesn't answer either question. Even if they found a cache of weapons and vests, that doesn't mean the people they have arrested were the ones responsible for hiding them. Giving them to the people to hold to "prove" they are terrorists is just theater. I'm sure you know that the IDF is perfectly capable of putting rifles in people's hands.
I’m sure you know that the IDF is perfectly capable of putting rifles in people’s hands
Well I'm in contrary, not sure, and this statement remains false until you prove this statement regarding this article, with a reliable source, otherwise.
There was literally an article three days ago on the BBC that showed that the IDF did exactly that.
The IDF has been lying this entire time - a bunch of the casualties from the October 7th attack were caused by the IDF themselves.
I wrote:
until you prove this statement regarding this article
You wrote:
There was literally an article three days ago on the BBC that showed that the IDF did exactly that
This is not relevant for this article, so currently there is no proof regarding this article.
The IDF has been lying this entire time
False statement.
- a bunch of the casualties from the October 7th attack were caused by the IDF themselves.
This is not relevant for this article, so currently there is no proof regarding this article.
Do you really think the IDF would allow them to walk out of that compound with loaded rifles in their hands? Or do you think it's much more likely that the IDF unloaded all of those rifles, if they were ever loaded in the first place, gave them to the men, and then had them walk out?
Because the IDF are really fucking stupid if it's the former.
I'm no professional militant and I wasn't there, so I have no comment.
If you can prove otherwise relating to this article, with a reliable source, the facts remains as stated in the article.
This is sad, next to babies.
You mean the guns and vests Israel forced them to equip so they could get a photo op?