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[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 145 points 1 week ago

Laws are for poor people.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Rules for thee, but not for me

[–] artyom@piefed.social 50 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Article is paywalled but the reason Google can get away with it is because they're getting them shipped without any connectivity.

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Self driving cars

Shipped without connectivity

Weird

Also, can I buy a new car without telemetry? I guess I know the answer to that already.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago

It has connectivity, its just added by Waymo after it arrives on shore.

[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 7 points 1 week ago

Obviously Google install their own connectivity.

[–] benny@reddthat.com 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Why don't Chinese manufacturers do the same? Sell cars without connectivity, make updates or whatever available on a website.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

Why would China want you to have a car that doesn't send data back?

I mean neither would any other manufacturer, but with China you just know the government probably requires all that surveillance tech be added. Like voice control microphones on the OUTSIDE of some new Chinese cars. Why else would you have that?

[–] jerakor@startrek.website 15 points 1 week ago

It is hardware. The embargo is on the connectivity silicon used in China because it is full of Chinese backdoors. Unlike the chips made elsewhere that have US backdoors

[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

Great question.

[–] majster@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So Chinese automakers cannot import because they rather stay out of market than turn off connectivity?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's the bullshit the US government wants you to believe. They need an excuse to force you to keep buying shitty trucks.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Yes they wrote it into law to deceive you!

[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago

Seems that way.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 week ago

So cheap cars are out there and the corporations are grabbing them all up before the citizens. Now that capitalism is in it's last death throes they need to amass even more power and control before it all explodes and comes crashing down.

[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago
[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can Americans buy 2nd hand Chinese EVs or will these then become recycling nightmares as a giant outfit cuts every possible corner in a very loosly regulated area?

[–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can import them after they're 25 years old but good luck getting parts or repairing them.

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good luck finding a 25 years old EV.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

I mean I don't think 25 year old Chinese EVs exist. This would be a hypothetical future.

[–] eicker@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unpopular opinion: Google’s approach actually makes sense here. The value isn’t the rolling metal box, it’s the autonomous driving stack. If Zeekr can build a high quality EV platform more cheaply, why reinvent it? Buy the best chassis, replace the electronics you don’t trust, and focus engineering effort where your competitive advantage actually is.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't think anyone is thinking Google is in doing the wrong decision. The problem is that Google, and other corporations, work with a set of rules different to normal, not corporate entities, don't. Like they can bought the most competitive cars on the global markets, while regular Americans are stuck to whatever Ford and GM want to sell them.

[–] eicker@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

Google isn’t getting special treatment here because it’s Google: Waymo isn’t importing finished consumer cars, it’s importing a vehicle platform, removing the original electronics, and integrating its own autonomous system. That’s much closer to sourcing components than selling Chinese EVs directly to the public, so it’s not really an apples to apples comparison.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 1 week ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[–] Grumpus_Maximus@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wow. That's pretty messed up.

We should ban Amazon and Walmart reselling Chinese as well as Chinese cars

[–] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We should work to either innovate or partner with Chinese manufacturers when it comes to EV technology.

[–] Arancello@aussie.zone 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

good luck with that in your republican america

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 week ago

Step 1: new constitutional convention in order to replace the federal government, which has been in lawmaking deadlock for about 16 years.

[–] djsiete@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes but stop believing the Dems are better.

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They ARE better. They're not good, but they are better than the subterranean bar Republicans set.

[–] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does it make you feel better to say that? They're dogshit. They are as guilty of this situation as the R's.

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Conflating shitty with straight up fascists only serves to help the fascists.

[–] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

The Dems who helped bomb my country of origin as every bit as fascist as the Republicans. Please stop deluding yourself