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I am just honestly confused. There seem to be no logical reason for it, except that it would raise the stock value of rocket producers like SpaceX and Blue Origin.

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[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You just wouldn't. The ISS is the largest thing we've ever built in space previously. It has an internal area about equal to a 747 passenger jet. That's about 4800 sq ft, but the entire structure is about the size of a football field, with the solar panels needed to power it and whatnot - that's 57,800 sq ft total space taken up to get that 4800 sq ft. The average data center currently is around 100,000 sq ft. The ISS took about 1000 hours of space walking and 136 space flights to build. So we need 20 times the ISS to build one average data center, so 20,000 hours (that's a team of 10 people working 12 hour shifts for 166 days) of space walking to build, 2700 space flights, and it would^1^ take up over 1 million square feet of space in the sky.

OH, and that is completely ignoring the fact that ISS orbits earth in 90 minutes. Maintaining data transfer capabilities from that to Earth would be a nightmare and building a structure that big that close to Earth also means it's going to be BRIGHT in the night sky (like, ok, not as bright as a full moon or anything, but 20 times brighter than ISS which is the 3rd brightest thing in our night sky already... This data center would be well ahead and into the number 2 spot, you literally wouldn't be able to miss it).

OH OH, that is also ignoring how incredibly difficult it would be to cool. Cooling components on the ISS is one of the biggest challenges because there is nowhere for the heat to go. So add on hauling several million gallons of water to space every month I guess? I dunno what their plan would even look like for cooling that is such a monumental problem.

AND THAT IS JUST ONE AVERAGE DATA CENTER. The cost would be astronomical. The environmental impact would be devastating. The repercussions would be severe. The benefit would be almost non-existent and very short lived if there even was any.

^1^ - Ok, this is all napkin math based on what it took to build the ISS. Could it be done more efficiently the second time around? Maybe, but we aren't just talking about ISS 2: Electric Boogaloo either, we are talking about a giant 20x structure. Chances are it would be even worse than these estimates - and where the hell is SpaceX going to get the actual physical man-power to do the construction of this thing in orbit??

[–] ThePunnyMan@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago

That also assumes this is done in the same orbit as the ISS right? The ISS isn't in a stable orbit, right?. It occasionally needs to adjust its orbit because of atmospheric drag. You're talking about 20x the area which could be a considerable difference in mass. That's more fuel needed per burn which also needs to be transported up to the data center. Otherwise you are looking at putting this thing in an even higher orbit which comes with its own host of problems.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

it would raise the stock value of rocket producers like SpaceX and Blue Origin.

Nailed it. Data centers in space is an objectively terrible idea but most people are too stupid to understand why. They see it as free real estate in the ignorance of the logistical problems of constructing structures in space large enough to be of any use, let alone powering and cooling them. The failure of the American education system has made the populace an easy hunting ground for modern Snake Oil salesmen.

[–] decended_being@midwest.social 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Ding ding!

  • It's not better for cooling. - No air or water to dissipate heat.
  • It's not better for communication. - Beaming data is always more lossy than its physically connected counterpart.
  • It's not less expensive. - Just submerge it, or build closer to the poles with wind and solar to power it

Also, it throws more junk in our orbit, is more difficult to maintain and upgrade, and has a significantly more catastrophic fail result.

But why do things logically or sustainably when you* can make money?

* you = someone who already is hoarding a large portion of our wealth.

[–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But then how do they make money out of it?

[–] hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 20 hours ago

By scamming investors and fooling shareholders.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

same way musk made a shitton of money with hyperloop: by getting other people to pay for it and then not actually do it.

[–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 3 points 21 hours ago

there isn't any good reason. you should start giving less attention to those who shout loudest, IMO.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't think it makes any sense either:

  • Cooling will be large and expensive as hell
  • Getting computers there will be expensive
  • Getting solar cells there will be expensive
  • The radiolink to earthbound networks will be expensive and slow

The only positive is that the energy will be cheap, and that the computers are safe except from nation state actors and untracked space debris.

I lean towards this being a narrative for the markets. Space Exploration Technologies Corp. claimed a 370 billion USD total addressable market (TAM) in space enabled solutions, and a 26.5 trillion USD TAM for AI in their S-1 filing before going public. They state within that their goal over time is to launch 100 gigawatts of compute to space each year.

By making the claim that this would be worthwhile they present themselves as uniquely positioned to profit from this situation. Moreso than other AI compute companies or other rocket launch companies.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

ever heard of the Nazi bases on the moon?

yeah. that's why.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You answered half of your own question.

"it would raise the value of rocket producers like SpaceX and Blue Origin."

The other thing is a complete lack of jurisdiction. At least theoretically, nobody can go after them for generating grossly illegal content in space.

Also, pure hypermasculine fetishism.

[–] FE80@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also, pure hypermasculine fetishism.

This is the weirdest take on data centers ever.

[–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 1 points 21 hours ago

but ... it checks out?

[–] ravelin@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 day ago

No, it seems like you understand it perfectly.

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There's no reason, Musk is just bullshiting like with Mars colony by 2025.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 166 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This idea is a total scam. This is just a way of asking investors for an enormous amount of money, with literally no intention of actually following through with it.

They might throw a couple of cheap satellites in orbit, just to say they "did it"...but no one with any actual comprehension of these things is honestly expecting it to yield results. The vast majority of that investment money, is going to be used for unrelated things.

In any sane world, this would be considered fraud. But, here we are.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 47 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Remember when Microsoft dumped containers of servers in the ocean to test things.

If they couldn't make that work they obviously can't make space work.

It was always a scam.

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[–] TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id 17 points 2 days ago

They're harder for us to burn to the fucking ground if we can't reach them.

[–] Krusty@quokk.au 9 points 1 day ago

Skynet. They want to build skynet. Go watch Terminator. I guess that's going to become a posthumous documentary.

  • Global geographic coverage with very low dependence on local infrastructure
  • Extremely difficult physical access compared with a conventional datacenter
  • Enormous distributed sensor/communications/computing network
  • Integration with Starlink's existing global communications infrastructure
  • Resilience against localized disasters or attacks
  • Direct access to governments and militaries that want autonomous communications, sensing, and computation
  • Essentially uninterruptible power source
  • Guided weapon systems, military intelligence and recon

Etc... come on. It's skynet! That's the funny thing you called a data center but really that's kind of the least of what's going on.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago (6 children)

The tech billiionaires got annoyed by regulations and complaints and are looking for a easier way.

[–] harmbugler@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We towed it outside the environment.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Into another environment, no?

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[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I believe Apartheid Pedo cited space being cold as a reason (ie don't have to worry about cooling the servers), except as usual he's a fuckwit with no idea what he's talking about. Space is empty, which means there's nothing to carry heat away, so the only way to lose heat is via radiation. And that takes forever.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is zero economic reason. Most optimistic cost estimates are 5x more expensive than earth systems powered by solar and batteries. With near term optimism 10x more expensive.

The only reason is skynet that is immune for anyone in the US pulling the plug from skynet. Russia/China can already hit sattelites or terrestrial datacenters with missiles, and space ones are more vulnerable because Americans are more likely to cheer destruction of skynet assets used to oppress them.

The other factor is international law permits squatters rights to the most desirable orbits. 300 years from now, we may need power/data beemed to/from space. Privatizing it for oligarchy is a great long term investment if it is subsidized by US government.

[–] cinoreus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I remember watching a real engineering video, the white paper for it doesn't go into properly explaining the cooling mechanism. There were plenty of other problems too, but this alone was enough for me to know it's running on pure hopium.

Oh and you cannot just use the corporate maths in this and not count initial costs, and costs of assembling the whole thing. Estimated area of solar panels for a datacenter of 5GW was 12.5km² assuming the best of the solar technologies used. The initial cost of putting it up there would be so high, it might even dwarf the lifetime operation cost.

In my opinion, it's just another grift like hyperloop ko keep the AI bubble from popping.

Edit:5 not 4gw

Edit 2: I had watched the video long ago, and I glossed over a lot of things,

https://youtu.be/_qpdUNMt2yg

Here's a link to the video to go watch yourself

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 21 hours ago

That video is very poor, for focusing on a red herring of trying to build a monolith 1gw datacenter in space. There is no plan for such. Instead a mesh of smaller (fits in 1 rocket) datacenters that each have their own solar/radiators auto deployed with the datacluster. Inference does not need fast networking between clusters as models fit in a single cluster easily.

It's still completely uneconomic because even GPUs that survive 5 years, are worthless after 5 years. Plan is to trash the datacenters every 5 years including the solar and radiators.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Snake oil. As almost everything else.

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