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If GrapheneOS stops supporting future Pixels, and Motorola is only targeting the flagship market for their compatible phones, we're looking at truly dark days ahead.

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[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 3 points 40 minutes ago

The other big thing for me is carrier unlocked and also still supporting physical SIM.

Hoping the Motorola flagship meets those criteria.

[–] liberatedGuy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Motorola is only targeting the flagship market for their compatible phones, we’re looking at truly dark days ahead.

What's wrong with Motorola?

[–] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)

Its because its only going to be flagship models. Kinda shitty if you ask me because this will put GOS out of reach for alot of people because alot of people cant afford $1,000-$2,000 phones. Google is probably going to make Pixels locked at some point, making them not able to have GOS flashed onto future models anymore. I love GOS but it really makes me wonder the route that GOS is starting to take, making it less accessible for the average person anymore. Pretty sure money is involved.

[–] soratoyuki@piefed.zip 7 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Not complaining about Motorola, just about flagship phones in general. I assume (incorrectly, maybe?) that the vast majority of people use their phones for light browsing, social media, etc. and don't need flagship features. Having to pay a flagship premium would suck... especially when all I really want is my Pixel 4a5g back lol.

[–] TrollAccount69@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 hour ago

Graphene requires flagship hardware.

I don’t mean like graphene as it stands now requires flagship hardware, I mean that graphene as a concept requires what is priced and treated as flagship hardware.

Compare the processors in flagship phones and those in gimmies by looking at their supported features and you’ll see a significant difference not just in cores and cache and onboard memory but in actual documentation and support for the kinds of hardware features (like memory tagging as referenced in this post) that graphene relies on.

Flagship phones don’t integrate and support these features because the manufacturers would like to give you what you’re paying for, it’s because meeting the needs of organizations that require them for their device fleet is profitable. If that component of phone design and engineering didn’t exist then everything would be Samsung whose device line can be fully differentiated by their screen sizes, camera features, screen resolutions and battery lives.

At the gimmie end of the spectrum it is already like that even for iphones although not as much.

Google was using the pixel line as a reference implementation of the Android platform, with their goal of providing device manufacturers something to measure their own work against and pay attention to to the function of so their android os wouldn’t become a flash in the pan and they could extend onto mobile use as a company. Android use grew significantly and they had to shift to using the pixel line as a trellis for a vigorous garden plant.

Bizarrely the pixel line was a money loser or a breakeven proposal for Google for several years. When you think about it that makes sense: they’re not playing the same game as the other Android manufacturers (make the cheapest thing, sell the cheapest thing!) so of course they’re not going to be looking good by the metric you use to measure that. The new Android phones represent a break with that plan and an attempt to move to competing directly with other major manufacturers so now their phones aren’t any good for graphene just like the Samsungs of the world.

Now a person might say “why can’t the damn phone companies just give us a gimmie phone with advanced security features we want?!” Well such a thing is possible but it would be a money loser from the drawing board and wouldn’t fit easily into the rubric of phone sales and tie up a shit ton of resources and time. So even if someone at a hardware company decided to do that their boss would shitcan the project asap.

That same person might say “well why can’t graphene support a gimmie phone?!” And that a great question too but it would mean diving into hardware that doesn’t have the capacity to meet the bar graphene has set for itself in terms of security. Hopefully the person who started that project would stop themselves when they recognize the situation.

[–] liberatedGuy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

True. The flagship thing makes it a bit out of reach for me.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If they're going to skip a generation this would be the one.

[–] soratoyuki@piefed.zip 4 points 2 hours ago

Assuming MTE makes a comeback in future generations...

[–] irotsoma@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

Well they did lay off a ton of developers in exchange for LLMs. I bet the LLMs are capable of writing secure code anyway. So it's not even on my radar. But now knowing they also cut implementation of MTE means it's even less secure. So either they are refusing to admit their mistakes, or they are bowing to the governments wanting a more hackable device, or both.

Google was being hostile towards open source anyway. So probably good that GrapheneOS skips this one. Maybe even more to a different line of devices that's is not moving in such a proprietary direction. The last few Pixels aren't even much of an upgrade and progressively keep falling behind on a lot of hardware, but the price keeps going up. They just aren't what they used to be, a tech showcase for other companies to be inspired by. So, I'd actually be happy if GrapheneOS moved to another line, though I don't know which would be ideal that actually allows unlocking and locking the boot loader without voiding warranty or actively killing the hardware out of spite but still has high end hardware.