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Countless firsthand accounts of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have disappeared across the last decade, and it may speak to larger issues with the historical record in the digital age.

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[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 124 points 1 year ago (32 children)

Meanwhile archive sites are getting sued by greedy copyright owners

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[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So, in short, the whole “just someone else’s computer” thing will always come back to bite you. And of course, we’re still struggling with this. Here on the Fedi, everything is tied up on servers run by admins we know little about without much recourse to download archives or migrate, unless you’re up for full self hosting.

[–] excel@lemmy.megumin.org 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except the fediverse is highly resilient in this regard, since all of the data is replicated. If an instance goes down, all of that instance’s posts are still available on every other instance.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is that, yes. But how much control do you the user have over those caches should the original server/instance from which they were made go down? Can you easily archive or retrieve them? Edit or delete them? Do anything to further ensure their longevity? Link them back to your new social media account so that others can easily identify them as yours? Verify, in any way, that they were (or were not!) written by you as the owner of a new account?

[–] Deftdrummer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

These are all good points.

[–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Definitely a few of the major things lacking in the Lemmy/kbin world.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

theoretically one couls create a lemmyverse archive that crawls the lemmyverse and subscribes to all communities it finds and archives all federation activities that it receives

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would you even need to subscribe?

Setting up an instance should probably work, unless other instances choose to defederate from it, I guess

[–] RobotToaster@infosec.pub 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Instances only collect stuff from communities that have at least one subscriber on their sever.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And it looks like it may only pull new posts and comments and not old archives.

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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Ah interesting, didn't know that :)

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Imagine if, in 100 years, there was a massive Carrington Event and most of the world's data was destroyed. How would we piece our history back together?

[–] reflex@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How would we piece our history back together?

Maybe some kind of foundation to stem the period of bahbawism?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember what happened to that foundation? And the alternative doesn't actually work based on our medical and scientific knowledge.

Stupid psychohistory.

[–] d4rknusw1ld@artemis.camp 6 points 1 year ago

Stupid sexy Harry.

[–] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Luckily, it is possible to shield the power supply from a carrington event at least, and we do have satellites keeping watch. The main issue is making sure all the power infrastructure is actually shielded, which costs money >.<

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Bro Texas won't even pay to weatherize their power grid and they know cold weather happens every winter.

[–] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago

Can't say you're wrong tbh :p

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[–] gonzo0815@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"The aurora over the Rocky Mountains in the United States was so bright that the glow woke gold miners, who began preparing breakfast because they thought it was morning."

Lol, this must've been hella confusing.

[–] squib@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty obvious. We build a time machine to go back to 1776. Then, when it malfunctions and sends to 1976 instead we learn the art of The Hustle.

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[–] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.astaluk.icu 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll be honest, I had forgotten MySpace was a thing back then. Every single page I went to was gaudy as hell and took forever to load on my dial up connection at the time. I'm a little surprised they're still around. And damn, it looks a lot different!

[–] June@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yea it’s a music centric site now, right?

Edit: I was curious so I looked it up. They either have 6-10 employees and 1-5M in revenue, or 523 employees and 84.2M in revenue, depending on whether you misspell ‘employees’ in the search or not (on bing).

[–] mainframegremlin@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't remember the specific article I read that dove into this but it was essentially sold due to it being one of the first large data collections (user data). I'm not sure the extent its traweled now but before the social media machine took off, it was the largest if not one of the largest concentrations of actual data points to run algorithms against.

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[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Someday historians will be reading all those emails our grandparents printed looking for cultural context.

[–] Deftdrummer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Super interesting read, thanks for posting. (Pls don't delete my comment)

[–] Catasaur@lemmy.catasaur.xyz 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I see this as a plus. People have a right to be forgotten. The problem nowadays is that companies track you and keep all your data forever and then use it to advertise to you.

At the very least, data collection and preservation should be explicitly opt-in.

If you really want to save something, download it yourself.

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