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Shaq's defensive dominance makes him a better overall basketball player than jokic.

For jokic to crack the top 5, imo, he needs to just keep stacking titles/MVPs. I know this sub slobs all over his advanced stats but his defense is ok at best, and when you're comparing him to all time great centers, most of those guys were elite defensively AND offensively.

Jokic is just so damn unique with his ball handlign/passing/range that its hard to know where to place him.

does his overall offensive prowess offset his defensive shortcomings when compared to the all time greats? That's the real debate and why its such a fun one, because there's never been a center like that before.

i for one am shocked that a 3x DPOY locked down a rookie.

numbers are hard

Since this is a post about Embiid I'm also obligated to acknowledge Jokic's obscene statline at 29/14/9 through the first 13 games.

I'm a fan of centers, and the modern NBA is a new golden age for big men, especially as we see the Chet and Wemby coming into the league.