Cosmonauticus

But muscle grows back depending on how much energy it consumes. The only difference is we're fully aware that that happens. If we cut down a tree to its roots its no different to eating a cow to its hooves. Plants are aware because they also need to consume organic matter to live and evolve to do so. If you burry a human corpse under a tree they leech the nutrients that make up the human body to grow stronger and pass on its genes. Parasitic or symbiotic plants and fungi consume live organisms to survive. Is that not an indication of a willingness to survive and therefore a form of consciousness?

Aren't the parts of earth less in danger to climate change among the global south? Mainly around Asia, Africa, and South America

I look at plants biological/chemical response to tissue damage as no different to our neurological response to it. Fundamentally all organisms avoid tissue damage to pass on their genetics to the next generation. Thats a fundamental aspect of all life. The only reason we look at plant/fungi pain differently is because we dont respond to tissue damage the same way as they do. Personally i dont see plants moving energy to areas of tissue damage or releasing chemicals as a distress response any different than vertebraes own responses to tissue damage through what we consider "pain". Its all based on a level of similarity we give certain organism to oursleves.

Here's my example. if a society that is a type 5 civilization on Kardashev's scale started to eat humans it would be along the same scale as us eating plants. Not eating beings with a gap so huge in intelligence isnt any different than not eating dogs because we find them cute. Its all arbitrary with no real logic. Limiting suffering based on intelligence or a nervous system is as arbitrary as limiting it based on cuteness or brain size. We just choose to give certain organisms more empathy because we consider them closer to ourselves but isnt that selfish? Youre only worthy if we consider you close to humanity

Edit: that being said id be more than happy to hear your thoughts on the flaws of my argument

Not my hobbies. Im more into rap, art, politics, and video games. Outside of online spaces there arent spaces like that for like minded individuals in my area. Plus id have to change my immigration status if I get involved with German politics. Also German rap is horrible

Not sure. Personally I don't subscribe to veganism because I believe what we considering suffering is usually based on the concept of beings born with a spine/central nervous system. If youre born a vertebrae only you are worthy of not experiencing "pain". To me it seems as arbitrary as not killing a being because its considered cute

All the special interest clubs in know about require memberships/fees. Plus finding the time outside of work is a whole other issue

When I was younger a tropical storm just meant a rainy day off from school. Now the amount of rain they drop in a day is almost biblical

I wonder what those right wing anti immigration politicians will say when Europeans start mass migrating due to climate change. Seems it'll happen sooner than what ppl thought

I have seen cases of climate experts saying instead pushing large scale veganism a more realistic idea is just eating A LOT less beef. Outside of a random cheese burger I dont eat much myself. Don't want to end up constipated like Hank anyway

The problem is meeting ppl organically is impossible now because we've been priced out of 3rd spaces. Ppl can't afford $15 beers or $300 concert tickets.

That might fault. Thought you were being dead serious. My bad

100% agreed. I just hold lemmy in a higher regard because I see less divisiveness here vs other social media and it want to keep it that way