EndlessNightmare

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LinkedIn, if used properly, should just be professional/career related content. If you put anything overly personal or controversial, you are using it wrong.

I'm not saying that people don't do that though.

It would be even more interesting if humans were a mono-gendered (or effectively genderless...since everyone is the same) species.

So what terminology would you recommend that people use when discussing non-crossover SUVs and crossovers to distinguish them from each other in contexts where the differences are important?

I suppose people could say "non-crossover SUV" but it is a bit verbose, particularly when writing it out and using it for something that would otherwise be denoted by 3 letters.

Ground clearance is a big one.

So putting a lift kit on the Sonata would make it an SUV? Actually...Subaru did just that very thing! The Crosstrek is an Impreza (hatchback body) with a lift kit.

I think if people took "SUV" in this context to mean "traditional SUV" (i.e. to exclude crossovers) it would avoid a lot of the confusion.

but I’d probably say size and design (boxy-ish looks). Beyond that, categorization by the companies making and rating them is what I go by.

So styling and marketing?

Fwiw, the Sonata is actually longer and wider than the Forester, though the Forester is taller due to the wagon bodystyle and a higher suspension/larger tires: carsized.com is an interesting site

Well, I disagree with your argument about SUV classification so we will agree to disagree here.

That is certainly your prerogative; many people have chosen to group them together. But it does mean that the "sedan vs SUV" MPG comparison is obfuscated by a faulty premise.

I'm curious though, what in your mind makes a Forester an SUV rather than a wagon? Disregard any external labels that others have applied. How you would classify the vehicle.

The classification doesn't determine what it actually is. It is an arbitrary label.

SUVs and crossovers are functionally different. I don't really give a shit that someone decided to group them together and dont feel bound to perpetuating their error.

I'm not being hostile, I'm just pointing out that crossovers are more similar to cars rather than SUVs, which is something that is very relevant to the discussion of fuel economy.

TIL that these sensors transmitted via a wireless signal rather than being hardwired. I've never heard of them needing to be replaced due to dead batteries.

Well, nothing bad has ever happened at L7 o'clock

What is the MPG between those vehicles? How long will their respective tanks last?

The Forester is not an SUV, it is a crossover. It is basically a wagon with a higher-riding suspension. SUV =/= crossover, even if automobile marketing has convinced a large segment of the population otherwise.