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Remember, none of the GOP politicians spewing their crap actually believe what they're saying. They're just lying to inflame their base. They have no principles at all, and are the most cynical people on the planet.

Aaaand nothing will happen.

The left is clearly taking over the Democratic Party: Mamdani and AOC are bigger kingmakers than Schumer or Jeffries. The job now is to do everything in your power to continue that ascension. You do that by voting your conscience in the primaries, to put leftists on the ballot, and then vote the party for the election, whoever you have.

The GOP used to be a oligarch-favoring-but-mostly-rational party. A party that could feel shame enough to demand Nixon resign. It was the work of decades to make it what it is today. The Democratic Party used to be union-focused, and got sold off starting with Clinton. It has been a generation going the wrong way, but it can be pulled back. To do so, you have to influence the party with good candidates and public pressure, and that doesn't happen when you just throw up your hands and curse them all.

Most of the failures of the Democrats of the past couple decades has been media incompetence, and never having more than a sliver of power. Voters have given them razor thin majorities a couple of times, and that results in empowering folks like Sinema and Fetterman and nothing else. They then get punished for not having been strong enough to do more than they did. You have to keep at it. When you keep at it, you get progress, incremental improvement. When you immediately take your ball and go home, the GOP comes in to undo everything the Dems managed to do.

You're not getting a third party. You're just not. It is vastly easier to shape the Democrats back into being the party of the New Deal and the Great Society, than it would be to build a viable third party. It is just structurally impossible.

Blah blah American Left is Actually Right blah blah, heard it all before. All of that is an oblivious response to precisely what I said, that actual Leftists are winning elections and primaries and running as Democrats. You're currently taking over the party and you want to, what, complain that you have to? Is it too much for you?

If you want the takeover to continue, you keep backing Democrats so that every cycle, you can pull it further and further left, it's that fucking simple. Online progressives are the most ADHD political thinkers in the damned world. You are busy taking a party over: finish the job, and part of finishing the job is not sabotaging the party for not being where you want it yet.

Username checks out.

This is obvious, which is why it mystifies me that performative progressives online aren't celebrating that they're taking over the Democratic Party. They're winning, but they still have to be all "neither party is pure enough for me" in posts.

Democratic Socialists are doing exactly what the Tea Party and then MAGA did to the GOP. Doesn't anyone think we'll all be better off without the Neoliberal DNC and with the DS DNC?

So you know AIPAC has long had a stranglehold on DC. You've just now observed how voters are breaking that. It's been going on for a bit, and with continued participation, you can further transform the Democratic Party into the Democratic Socialist party it was decades ago.

Taking over a party works, creating a third party does not. Do the work that can actually succeed.

You're wrong about your history in a number or ways, and superglue has the right idea. You're seeing the Democrats being pulled to the left right now, this very minute, and you still want to shoot yourself in the foot, and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

If you can't distinguish between the evils of the GOP and the lesser evils of the Democrats, you're morally non-functional.

I'd say about half as bloodthirsty.

A good leader can whip the votes. Hakeem Jeffries is... not... a good leader.

I can weigh the platforms of each party, see that one (GOP) is significantly worse than the other, and have reasonable expectation of shaping the platform of the superior party (Democratic) for the better. Calling that blindness is to make yourself morally irrelevant.

The better way to look at it is that people collectively ceded control of the Democrats to corrupt special interests (this was James Carville's big innovation), and that you're currently being shown, right now, that you can take it back. On party absolutely revels in helping genocide and supporting fascists around the world, and the other got roped into a tight relationship with Israel and got frog-boiled into not backing off fast enough (that is still underway; it won't fully succeed if folks abandon the party instead of reforming it with participation).