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The alt-left is STILL pulling the “both sides are the same” shit. We will NEVER escape fascism. Like buckle in because the left is not fucking comprehending the massive scale of the difference between corrupt MAGA and corrupt Dems. Yalls are just not fucking getting it. Yalls are still just mad and punishing Dems for their awful, unconscionable Gaza policy (not defending it), but yalls literally put the final nail in American democracy cuz of a single foreign policy issue. Fucked over all LGBTQ people, all disabled folks, women’s rights, immigrant’s right, DEIA programs. As I watch my trans family continue to get targeted and killed, I will NEVER forget the “both sides” leftists who hung us out to dry. Fuck yalls.
When a neighbor to one side of your home actively participates is genocidal intent, and the other neighbor in the other side also does the same but he smiles at you and even lends you a cup of sugar when needed... I am sorry, but there is no "lesser evil" here... I will vote for anyone but any of them, even if there is no chance it will make a difference now!
However... that is not a 'wasted' vote, but actually an extremely important one... although for a longer term, for following elections. If Democrats see that they loose an election because they loose 3% of typical votes to a third party, they will try to accommodate the concerns of that 3% next time around. If that 3% keeps voting Democrats, there is no incentive to change. The same applies for the Republican side. If the big political parties don't address that still, magic can happen, out of the blue, that 3% can become a 13% movement and donations start coming and in two or three years you have a chance of introducing a capable third party... either way is a win.
No voting, in theory, should have a similar wake-up power as a vote for a third party, but in reality it does not... in the mind of politicians it a much costlier vote to get to it ends usually dismissed as a lost cause; they don't take much reading into 25% or 45% absentee vote... but 1% vote loss to the other side or a third party is watched as a hack, specially in highly polarized elections when it is hard to compensate that 1% loss with voters from the other side!
So mark what is your critical red lines and if no major party respects them, do vote for anyone, anyone that does, no mater how small... don't try to do short-term political engineering since political parties have thousands of people far more capable than any of us at doing political engineering and start throwing around catchphrases such as "lesser evil" or that the other side is "fascist/communist" that is solely designed to leave you parallelized.
Finally, it is the problem of political deception. When it is so blatant in both sides, the same principle applies, vote for anyone, anyone that has not lied on your red lines so far, make your mark that you are sick of deceptions so politicians know they have to address it. Again, don't try to find the lesser evil while indicating your neighbor that smiles at you, that you are okay tolerating with his crimes and deceptions.
"yalls"
And it's impossible to read this comment without concluding that you simply don't see Palestinians as fully human.
Genuinely curious how you came to that conclusion? Whether you vote democrat or republican, both would have continued to support the genocide against the Palestinian people. That’s undeniable.
But how is pointing out that the Democratic Party at least wouldn’t actively try to destroy LGBT/women/minories’ rights mean that OP doesn’t care about the genocide?
Choosing a lesser evil means there is less evil. What other choice to we have besides continuing to protest and using our meager wages to help fund aid for Palestine? Wtf else is the OP supposed to do to prove they care about Palestinians in your eyes?
I have so many queer friends, and I am dating a trans person. I know so many immigrants — I am one. Wtf are we supposed to do? Why shouldn’t I be mad people chose to do nothing and keep their honor over the lives of my friends and family, and minorities?
Option A: “this button will kill people.” Option B: “this button will kill people, and also your friends and family.”
Like. How does being mad that people picked Option B mean you are fine with people dying?
I am doing the best I can in this flawed world, if you have better options, I beg you to say them instead of just saying OP doesn’t view Palestinians as human.
Genuinely curious how you came to that conclusion?
Well the bit where they describe their wholesale extermination as "a single foreign policy issue". Or the bit where they value the lives of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians less then a single digit number of Americans.
wouldn’t actively try to destroy LGBT/women/minories’ rights
Again, makes it seem like you don't consider Palestinians human. Palestinians are women, Palestinians are LGBT. The Democrats were actively destroying their lives.
What other choice to we have besides continuing to protest and using our meager wages to help fund aid for Palestine? Wtf else is the OP supposed to do to prove they care about Palestinians in your eyes?
Not whining about and attacking the people opposed to their genocide while supporting the people carrying out their genocide.
I have so many queer friends, and I am dating a trans person. I know so many immigrants
A number that is essentially negligible compared to the number of people massacred in Gaza.
Why shouldn’t I be mad
Does "being mad" help anyone? Or is this just you admitting that this was never about pragmatic lesser-evilism and is just Democrat supporters being petulant that they lost.
Like. How does being mad that people picked Option B mean you are fine with people dying?
Maybe you should be mad at the people committing genocide. Not the people fucking opposing it.
You know, if you genuinely believe in the "lesser evil" argument and actually follow it to its conclusion, you shouldn't be looking at a situation where "doing another Holocaust" is bipartisan policy, and trying to figure out how you can ensure that you and your friends can be most comfortable. You should be trying to figure out what will most quickly lead to the collapse and destruction of the USA government. But I don't see many VBNMW types willing to actually follow through on that.
Fascism and liberalism are not distinct ideologies, but the same ideology in different circumstances. Liberalism is the nice mask, fascism is the brutal one, and Capitalism will use whichever the bourgoeisie feels is necessary to maintain control and profits.
Critiquing liberalism is a "left" thing, not an "alt-left" thing, and I don't even know what that means.
Alt-left means "I'm a liberal co-opting the word 'leftist' to to pigeonhole leftists out of 'conventional politics' (picking the current flavor of liberalism)"
Nowhere in this meme does it say that “both sides are the same”. It’s (correctly) showing how both parties don’t give a shit about the working class.
Republicans are horrible but you can’t expect the Democrats to save or help you from them after we have tons of evidence showing they will also break strikes, pass right wing immigration laws, attack protesters, support genocide, and do almost nothing to stop rising fascism.
Also trying to diminish supplying and funding a genocide to just “a single foreign policy issue” is pretty fucked up and not even accurate. Leftists were willing to overlook hundreds of issues we had with Kamala as a candidate if she could just do the bare fucking minimum of not actively funding and supplying a genocide and she couldn’t even do that.
Funny how every time the GIOP does something awful we see a lot of BoTh SIdes ArE The SAMe memes.
No actual plans or ideas, but lots of memes telling people not to vote.
Both sides are complicit in genocide. Sure, technically both sides aren't the same, but once you get to that level you're splitting hairs.
While those of us who are wealthier like to make fun of poor people who vote for Republicans because they're the pro-corporate candidate, strictly speaking they're just the ones who are honest about it. LGBT rights, immigrant rights, and the rule of law are important but they're also mirages. The democrats sold out LGBT people and immigrants as soon as they saw it wasn't helping them (that isn't to say it was hurting them, just not helping), and the rule of law has barely been a thing for a while in America.
Obama double-tapped children using drones, so he could get the paramedics too.
America is a unique country. One where the left-wing party has become the right, and vice-versa. As a result the supposed left-wing party in the Democrats is built on a foundation of slavery. That can't be repaired without a miracle.
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So now the genocide in Gaza has been ramped up exponentially
It hasn't, you were just a lying genocide denier when it was your team doing it. This, incidently is why I don't take "lesser evil' Democrat supporters seriously anymore, because they're always quick to reveal that they're dishonest denialists about how evil the Democratic party actually is.
Ukraine, deportations, invasion of Canada/Greenland/Panama, and tariffs are the few areas where there is an actual difference. Biden absolutely would let Netanyahu keep doing what he's doing.
When it comes to the morality and corruption of the candidates, they're both the same. It's just foreign policy and social issues where they differ.
TLDR: Short-term they're different, long-term it all comes out in the wash. Or it would if Russia wasn't trying to erase Ukraine from the map.
Short-term they’re different,
That's like saying in a million years everyone will be dead, so why do anything?
Then let me instead zero in on a different idea, from before I edited in the TLDR.
"Both sides are made up of horrible people, just with different policy"
leftists offer plenty of solutions starting with unionization. and much more depending on which poison you pick.
first things first though you need to notice you won't be able to vote fascism away.
So, both sides are the same and don't vote?
quote me where i told you not to vote.
You just fucking said you can’t vote away fascism. So if fascism is already here, which it is, you’re saying it can’t be voted away, which HEAVILY implies that one shouldn’t vote cuz it’s pointless; fascism can’t be voted away, so why vote?
Do you need any other explanations, you obtuse jackass pretending not to know how language works?
thats your conclusion. i literally don't care if you bother voting.
i even stated this much, do you need me to clarify something? why the fuck are you that angry?
Leftists are always telling you to read theory and organize. Here's a Marxist-Leninist intro reading list, and the Party for Socialism and Liberation is a good org to join.
Is the response for "if was Kamala nothing of this would happen".
"The strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world." would do the same fucking shit
You do know that Obama signed a peace treaty with Iran that even the Israeli Mossad said was working? You knew that, right?
That happened after Trump tore up the treaty, right?
Have an upvote. Both sides are not the same. Anyone who can't distinguish between them is seriously not fully operational.
The result of not voting sits in the White House. In politics there is no silent majority.
and thats itself the result of neither side helping the working class.
Billonairs and stupid MAGA workers are the minority and always vote right wings, but they turn to a mayority if the left working class don't vote. Simple Math.
you missed the point. democrats are not leftists and will be just as bad.
don't blame leftists for how fascists coopt an electoral system in their favour.
I know that the US voting system is a crap and that there don't exist a real keft party, Democrats there are a conservative neoliberal party and Republicans are direct a Fascist one. But even so between the bad and the worse, voting the worse don't make sensem less if it is done for the second time. Anyway for me as an European it's impossible to understand why this criminal asshole is in the WhiteHouse and not in Jail since tears ago. In the last US election you could hear out of the US worldwide the sound of a violent facepalm.
leftists aren't really voting for trump though. most leftists i know vote for the lesser evil, but with the consciousness it ain't doing much.
it’s impossible to understand why this criminal asshole is in the WhiteHouse and not in Jail since tears ago
the way fascism coopts the masses and capitalism lets it, thats literally fascism running its course. its been documented throughout history.
it comes up when capitalism is in crisis and the people aren't aware of the class war being fought against them. part of that comes from thinking politics is just voting for the lesser evil.
FOX News, X?
they are a part of it, but think mainstream media in general. including hollywood, big tech and shit.
there is a reason the burgeoise owns most media.
Yes, US movies, glorifying violence, American always the good ones and who save the world. Always with the Stars and Stripes flag waving at the end.
Thank you. You're going to get a lot of nonsense where people keep telling you that voting is meaningless. Don't listen.