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[Horton] Marcus Smart screaming at his Grizzlies teammates “it’s embarrassing, it’s embarrassing” among other things in c/nba@nba.space
[–] Naismythology@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

He’s not wrong…

[Johnson] DeMar DeRozan: “I can’t fake it. I’m beyond frustrated. Everybody in this locker room is frustrated.” in c/nba@nba.space
[–] Naismythology@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I can tell the tournament is working because players are already butthurt about it

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Top 250 Players (Careers + Peaks): #120-111 (OC) (alien.top)
 

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All stats/info through 2023 season

We're at the point where I think, with the Hall of Fame standards being what they are these days, everyone from here going forward should be in. That puts the bar at about 160 according to my algorithm. Personally, I think I'd set the bar closer to 200 (with exceptions of course), but I'll let you guys decide that for yourselves.

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  • 120. Jimmy Butler - 158.6
    • Career - 134.3
      • 2012-2023
      • CHI, MIN, PHI, MIA
      • 105.9 Win Shares
      • 0.017 Adjusted MVP Award Shares
      • 1x All-NBA Second Team Selection (2023)
      • 4x All-NBA Third Team Selection (2017, 2018, 2020, 2021)
      • 6x All-Star Selection (2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2022)
      • 6.9 Finals Win Shares (2 Finals losses - 2020 MIA, 2023 MIA)
      • 3.8 Conference Finals Win Shares (1 Conf. Finals loss - 2022 MIA)
    • Peak - 182.9
      • 2019-2023
    • Other achievements
      • 5x All-Defensive Second Team Selection (2014, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2021)
      • Most Improved Player (2015)
      • Eastern Conference Finals MVP (2023)
      • 1x Olympic Gold Medalist (2016)
    • Butler has kind of quietly put together a really strong Hall of Fame-caliber career. It'd be nice if some of his Third Team selections were Second Team selections, or if he'd made a First Team at any point, but that's hardly disqualifying. If you'd asked me as recently as his stint in Philadelphia if he was Hall of Fame bound, I would have said "definitely not," but now I think I'm 50/50 on the prospect.
    • One interesting thing to watch going forward is how much the new attendance policy, excuse me, "Player Participation Policy" affects guys like Butler. With the 65 game threshold for awards, Butler would've missed out on All-NBA nods in 2018, 2021, and 2023. (I'm assuming they would've prorated for games played in 2020 and 2021.) Are the playoff heroics enough to think about Hall of Fame status with only three Third Team selections?

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  • 119. Jo Jo White - 158.6
    • Career - 114.9
      • 1970-1981
      • BOS, GSW, KCK
      • 54.0 Win Shares
      • 0.015 Adjusted MVP Award Shares
      • 2x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1975, 1977)
      • 7x All-Star Selection (1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977)
      • 3.3 Championship Win Shares (2 titles - 1974 BOS, 1976 BOS)
      • 3.2 Conference Finals Win Shares (3 Conf. Finals losses - 1972 BOS, 1973 BOS, 1975 BOS)
      • 1x Finals MVP (1976)
    • Peak - 202.3
      • 1973-1977
    • Other achievements
      • 1x Olympic Gold Medalist (1968)
      • #10 retired by the Boston Celtics
    • White was a college star at Kansas. As a freshman in 1966, he faced off against Texas Western (later renamed University of Texas-El Paso) in the Elite Eight. The game went to overtime, where White made a buzzer-beater that would've won the game, but he was ruled out of bounds (dubious call at best). Texas Western went on to win 81-80 in double overtime, and then went on to win the national championship, becoming the first team with an all-black starting five to win the title.
    • White was also on a super weird Olympic team in 1968. At the time, the Olympic committee delegated roster spots to different organizations, so four players would be chosen from the NCAA, two from the AAU (this is also different than what you're thinking AAU is today), three from the Armed Forces, one from Junior College, and two from NAIA. Lew Alcindor and Elvin Hayes both said "no, thanks," and the committee didn't even try to go after Pete Maravich or Dan Issel. So the only guys you would've even heard of on this team were White, Spencer Haywood, and (maybe) Charlie Scott. They still went undefeated and won by an average score of 82-56.
    • He was the leading scorer (33 points) in the "greatest game ever played," Game 5 of the 1976 Finals where the Celtics beat the Suns 128-126 in triple overtime. He won Finals MVP following the series.
    • White also played five games in the Continental Basketball Association for the Topeka Sizzlers in 1987 at age 41. He later said it was one of the biggest regrets of his career because of how much he hurt his knees in that one month.

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  • 118. Dave Bing - 159.0
    • Career - 128.3
      • 1967-1978
      • DET, WSB, BOS
      • 68.8 Win Shares
      • 0.600 Adjusted MVP Award Shares (2 top five finishes: 1968 - 4th, 1971 - 3rd)
      • 2x All-NBA First Team Selection (1968, 1971)
      • 1x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1974)
      • 7x All-Star Selection (1968, 1969, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976)
    • Peak - 189.8
      • 1967-1971
    • Other achievements
      • Rookie of the Year (1967)
      • All-Star Game MVP (1976)
      • Citizenship Award (1977)
      • 5,000 Assist Club (5,397; 57th all-time)
      • #21 retired by the Detroit Pistons
      • College Basketball Hall of Fame Inductee (2006)
    • Bing has actually stated that baseball was his sport of choice growing up, but he decided that he had a better chance of getting scholarships as a basketball player. So there you go, kids: pick an up-and-coming, weird, niche sport over the super popular one, and you could go down as one of the greatest to ever do it.
    • "Score-first point guard" seems a little derogatory. Bing also averaged 6.0 assists per game. But he was definitely one of the earliest examples of a "shooting is also an option" point guard. He averaged 20.6 points per game for his career, peaking at 27.1 in 1968.
    • Bing would definitely be the starting point guard on my "All-Never-Made-the-Conference-Finals Team." (I think that full lineup would be Bing, Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, Elton Brand, and Joel Embiid. And before you say anything, Tracy McGrady did play in the Finals. No, it wasn't much. Yes, it still counts.)
    • Bing was also Mayor of Detroit from 2009-2014, but at one time had an approval rating of 14%, so politics wasn't really his forte.

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  • 117. Alex English - 159.8
    • Career - 135.7
      • 1977-1991
      • MIL, IND, DET, DAL
      • 100.7 Win Shares
      • 0.167 Adjusted MVP Award Shares
      • 3x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1982, 1983, 1986)
      • 8x All-Star Selection (1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989)
      • 2.4 Conference Finals Win Shares (1 Conf. Finals loss - 1985 DEN)
    • Peak - 183.9
      • 1982-1986
    • Other achievements
      • Citizenship Award (1988)
      • 20,000 Point Club (25,613; 21st all-time)
      • #2 retired by the Denver Nuggets
      • College Basketball Hall of Fame Inductee (2006)
    • English owns one of the weirder trivia answers of all-time: which player scored the most points in the 1980s? It's not particularly close either. English totaled 21,018 points in the decade, while second place belongs to Moses Malone with 19,082. (Adrian Dantley, Larry Bird, and Kareem round out the top five.)
    • The only players to score over 20,000 points in a decade? (And I'm talking "calendar" decade here, not just ten consecutive years.) We have Wilt Chamberlain and Oscar Robertson (60s), Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (70s), English (80s), Karl Malone (90s), and Kobe Bryant (00s). (LeBron was 450 points shy of hitting the mark in the 10s. That bum.)

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  • 116. Tim Hardaway - 161.4
    • Career - 129.3
      • 1990-1993, 1995-2003
      • GSW, MIA, DAL, DEN, IND
      • 85.0 Win Shares
      • 0.336 Adjusted MVP Award Shares (1 top five finish: 1997 - 4th)
      • 1x All-NBA First Team Selection (1997)
      • 3x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1992, 1998, 1999)
      • 1x All-NBA Third Team Selection (1993)
      • 5x All-Star Selection (1991, 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998)
      • 1.7 Conference Finals Win Shares (1 Conf. Finals loss - 1997 MIA)
    • Peak - 193.6
      • 1995-1999
    • Other achievements
      • WAC Player of the Year (1989)
      • 5,000 Assist Club (7,095; 18th all-time)
      • 1x Olympic Gold Medalist (2000)
      • #10 retired by the Miami Heat
    • This is as good a place as any to bring this up, but it has always bothered me that there are no 1999 All-Stars. One project that I want to do at some point is figure out who the most likely candidates for that season would've been, but it's a difficult task as the season was so short and trying to figure out who would've been All-Stars from like a 25ish game sample size is less than ideal. I wouldn't give any points for it, but it would still be fun.
    • I bring it up for Hardaway because I feel like anyone who made the 1997 and 1998 teams, or the 1998 and 2000 teams, or the 2000 and 2001 teams, should automatically get a free 1999 All-Star stamp on his Basketball Reference page (unless said player wasn't in the league in 1999 for whatever reason). You could probably talk me out of the "2000 and 2001" selections being guaranteed, but it feels like momentum/inertia would've carried the other players to a 1999 nod.
    • Anyway, here's all the players this would have affected: Ray Allen, Vin Baker, Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter, Tim Duncan, Michael Finley, Kevin Garnett, Eddie Jones, Anfernee Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Grant Hill, Allan Houston, Allen Iverson, Shawn Kemp, Jason Kidd, Karl Malone, Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutombo, Shaquille O'Neal, Gary Payton, Glen Rice, Mitch Richmond, David Robinson, Glenn Robinson, Jerry Stackhouse, Rasheed Wallace, and Chris Webber. That's 28 players right there. Carter, Houston, Stackhouse, and Wallace are fairly easy cross-offs, so there you go. Your 1999 All-Stars.

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    1. Gus Williams - 161.5
    • Career - 116.4
      • 1976-1980, 1982-1987
      • GSW, SEA, WSB, ATL
      • 67.9 Win Shares
      • 0.190 Adjusted MVP Award Shares (1 top five finish: 1982 - 5th)
      • 1x All-NBA First Team Selection (1982)
      • 1x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1980)
      • 2x All-Star Selection (1982, 1983)
      • 2.7 Championship Win Shares (1 title - 1979 SEA)
      • 2.3 Finals Win Shares (1 Finals loss - 1978 SEA)
      • 1.9 Conference Finals Win Shares (2 Conf. Finals losses - 1976 GSW, 1980 SEA)
    • Peak - 206.5
      • 1978-1982
    • Other achievements
      • Comeback Player of the Year (1982)
      • #1 retired by the Seattle SuperSonics
    • Williams very well could have been Finals MVP in 1979. He led the Sonics in scoring, and averaged 29.0/3.6/3.6. Dennis Johnson, who did win FMVP, averaged 22.6/6.0/6.0/1.8/2.2, so really just an all-around performance from him. Jack Sikma was also in the mix with 15.8/14.8/2.0 and 3.2 blocks per game.
    • Williams is also one of the few players who has a "peak" that includes a season he didn't play. He sat out all of 1981 due to a contract dispute. And even still, he managed a peak of 206.5 (which is impressive), with a title, Finals loss, All-NBA First Team, All-NBA Second Team, and an All-Star Selection.

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  • 114. Spencer Haywood - 161.9
    • Career - 118.3
      • 1970 (ABA), 1971-1980, 1982-1983
      • DNR, SEA, NYK, NOJ, LAL, WSB
      • 61.4 Win Shares
      • 0.157 Adjusted MVP Award Shares (1 top five finish: 1972 - 5th)
      • 2x All-NBA First Team Selection (1972, 1973)
      • 2x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1974, 1975)
      • 4x All-Star Selection (1972, 1973, 1974, 1975)
      • 0.0 Championship Win Shares (1 title - 1980 LAL)
      • 17.1 ABA Win Shares
      • 0.838 Adjusted ABA MVP Award Shares (1 top five finish, 1 win: 1970 - 1st)
      • 1x All-ABA First Team Selection (1970)
      • 1x ABA All-Star Selection (1970)
      • 2.6 ABA Conference Finals Win Shares (1 Conf. Finals loss - 1970 DNR)
    • Peak - 205.4
      • 1972-1976
    • Other achievements
      • ABA All-Star Game MVP (1970)
      • ABA Rookie of the Year (1970)
      • 1x Olympic Gold Medalist (1968)
      • #24 retired by the Seattle SuperSonics
    • Ah, Spencer Haywood, incredibly skilled, incredibly troubled.
    • The most famous Haywood story is that during the 1980 Finals with the Lakers, he was so coked out of his mind that coach Paul Westhead, sent him away from the team in the middle of the Finals. In a cocaine-fueled rage, Haywood hired a guy he knew from Detroit to come to Los Angeles and kill Westhead. I believe the plan was to cut the brake line's on Westhead's car. Luckily cooler heads prevailed, and nobody got assassinated, but damn, what a story.

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  • 113. David Thompson - 162.6
    • Career - 111.5
      • 1976 (ABA), 1977-1984
      • DNA/DEN, SEA
      • 50.8 Win Shares
      • 0.401 Adjusted MVP Award Shares (1 top five finish: 1978 - 3rd)
      • 2x All-NBA First Team Selection (1977, 1978)
      • 4x All-Star Selection (1977, 1978, 1979, 1983)
      • 1.0 Conference Finals Win Shares (1 Conf. Finals loss - 1978 DEN)
      • 12.4 ABA Win Shares
      • 0.075 Adjusted ABA MVP Award Shares (1 top five finish: 1976 - 2nd)
      • 1x All-ABA Second Team Selection (1976)
      • 1x ABA All-Star Selection (1976)
      • 1.6 ABA Finals Win Shares (1 Finals loss - 1976 DNA)
    • Peak - 213.7
      • 1976-1980
    • Other achievements
      • 3x ACC Player of the Year (1973, 1974, 1975)
      • NCAA Champion (1974)
      • NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player (1974)
      • Consensus National College Player of the Year (1975)
      • ABA All-Star Game MVP (1976)
      • ABA Rookie of the Year (1976)
      • All-Star Game MVP (1979)
      • #33 retired by the Denver Nuggets
      • College Basketball Hall of Fame Inductee (2006)
    • Thompson was one of the first "high-flying" stars in either the NBA or the ABA. Everything he did was above the rim and no one really knew how to handle it. Here are just few examples. They look fairly run-of-the-mill now, but trust me, nobody was dunking like this at the time.
    • Thompson also held the non-Wilt single game scoring record from April 9, 1978, when he scored 73 in a game (without the three pointer, no less) until January 22, 2006, when Kobe Bryant scored 81.
    • Thompson also would have injury and substance abuse problems which would derail his career in 1980 and permanently end it in 1984.

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  • 112. Bob Dandridge - 163.2
    • Career - 134.0
      • 1970-1982
      • MIL, WSB, MIL
      • 80.3 Win Shares
      • 0.086 Adjusted MVP Award Shares (1 top five finish: 1979 - 5th)
      • 1x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1979)
      • 4x All-Star Selection (1973, 1975, 1976, 1979)
      • 1x All-Defensive First Team Selection (1979)
      • 3.7 Championship Win Shares (2 titles - 1971 MIL, 1978 WSB)
      • 4.4 Finals Win Shares (2 Finals losses - 1974 MIL, 1979 WSB)
      • 2.5 Conference Finals Win Shares (2 Conf. Finals losses - 1970 MIL, 1972 MIL)
    • Peak - 192.3
      • 1975-1979
    • Other achievements
      • #10 retired by the Milwaukee Bucks
    • Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Bobby D and Wes Unseld have the most Finals appearances in the very parity-heavy decade of the 70s, with four each. (1971 and 1974 with Milwaukee, 1978 and 1979 with Washington for Dandridge. All Bullets appearances for Unseld: 1971, 1975, 1978, 1979). A bunch of guys had three: Bill Bradley, Wilt Chamberlain, Dave DeBusschere, Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Willis Reed, Wes Unseld, Jerry West.
    • He gets overshadowed by bigger names on each of those teams, but he was probably the second-best player on three of them, and you could make an argument for all four if you wanted.

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  • 111. Bobby Wanzer - 163.2
    • Career - 114.9
      • 1949-1957
      • ROC
      • 63.9 Win Shares
      • 3x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1952, 1953, 1954)
      • 5x All-Star Selection (1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956)
      • 2.7 Championship Win Shares (1 title - 1951 ROC)
      • 2.2 Conference Finals Win Shares (3 Conf. Finals losses - 1949 ROC, 1952 ROC, 1954 ROC)
    • Peak - 211.5
      • 1950-1954
    • Other achievements
      • College Basketball Hall of Fame Inductee (2006)
    • I don't have a ton of information about Wanzer, sadly. But I can tell you he was the first player to ever shoot 90%+ from the free throw line, when he shot 90.4% for the 1952 season.
    • Wanzer also wore the number "09" on his jersey from 1949-1955. League rules forced him to change to just "9" in 1956. This was a Rochester Royals thing that I haven't been able to get to the bottom of yet. They had three guys were "03" from 1950-1955, and one guy wear "07" in 1951. The team did not have any "single digit" jersey numbers until 1956.
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[–] Naismythology@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

This is like throwing out the first pitch, missing wildly, and immediately needing Tommy John surgery.

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[–] Naismythology@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you discount the three games he played with Pau Gasol one random year before Gasol had a career-ending injury, this is also the first season Giannis has played with a Hall of Famer.

Kevin O'Connor's top 15 players in the NBA: Tier 1: Jokic, Tier 2: Steph/Embiid, Tier 3: Luka/Giannis/Tatum, Tier 4: Booker/SGA/LeBron/KD, Tier 5: Ant/Hali/AD/Maxey/Butler in c/nba@nba.space
[–] Naismythology@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

KOC is not a “serious” analyst. That’s not an insult. It’s just clear that he either plants his flag and won’t move, or else everything is super “prisoner of the moment” if he doesn’t already have an established take. He’s a piece in the basketball take-o-sphere, which is fine, but I don’t think he’d ever admit that.

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Top 250 Players (Careers + Peaks): #130-121 (OC) (alien.top)
 

Previous posts:

Introduction/Methodology

236-250

221-235

206-220

191-205

176-190

164-175

155-163

140-154

131-139

Master List

Apologies for the delay in getting this one out. I got deep in some research (not for this particular bit, but about basketball in general) and couldn't tear myself away. This group of players does have one of my favorite ever entries in it, though. See if you can guess which one.

Anyway, with the way the Hall of Fame is structured now, this is the last real batch of players you can make any sort of argument against being in the Hall, and still have me take you seriously. Not everyone beyond this point is in (five eligible players are not), but those are outliers who I firmly believe should be in the Hall of Fame already. And hey, if you didn't have any faith in this ranking system before, how about that for a stat: only five of the top 120 players according to this thing have not been inducted into the Hall of Fame. That seems good, right? Of those 120, if you take out the active players (18) and the not-yet-eligible players (1), the system is 96/101 on predicting if someone will make the Hall of Fame. Considering a set out to build a mathematical Hall of Fame measuring stick, I think I did alright. Anyway, enough patting myself on the back, here's the last batch of kinda-maybe-sorta fringe Hall of Fame candidates.

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    1. Marques Johnson - 151.9
    • Career - 111.1
      • 1978-1987, 1990
      • MIL, LAC, GSW
      • 79.8 Win Shares
      • 0.124 Adjusted MVP Award Shares
      • 1x All-NBA First Team Selection (1979)
      • 2x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1980, 1981)
      • 5x All-Star Selection (1979, 1980, 1981, 1983, 1986)
      • 2.3 Conference Finals Win Shares (2 Conf. Finals losses - 1983 MIL, 1984 MIL)
    • Peak - 192.7
      • 1979-1983
    • Other achievements
      • NCAA Champion (1975)
      • Pac-8 Player of the Year (1977)
      • Consensus National College Player of the Year (1977)
      • Comeback Player of the Year (1986)
      • #8 retired by the Milwaukee Bucks
      • College Basketball Hall of Fame Inductee (2013)
    • If you've never heard his name said out loud, it's pronounced the same as "Marcus," just FYI.
    • Johnson's son, Kris, won an NCAA title in 1995, making the two of them the only father-son duo to win a title at the same school (UCLA).
    • Johnson was also in White Men Can't Jump, which is almost certainly the best basketball movie ever made.
    • He also was the final recipient of the Comeback Player of the Year Award, which the NBA phased out in favor of the Most Improved Player of the Year Award. I'm guessing they decided they wanted to celebrate up-and-coming players, rather than guys who had suffered devastating injuries or had personal issues that required them to take time away from the court. Here's the list of Comeback Players of the Year: 1981 - Bernard King (missed time the previous year due to cocaine/alcohol arrests/addiction), 1982 - Gus Williams (contract dispute/holdout), 1983 - Paul Westphal (contract dispute/stress fracture in foot), 1984 - Adrian Dantley (torn wrist ligaments), 1985 - Micheal Ray Richardson (substance abuse), 1986 - Marques Johnson (???). Johnson is the only player who I'm not sure the cause of his decline/comeback. He had career lows in 1985, and had previous issues with drug use, but I haven't seen anything specifically linking the two, and he didn't miss any games in 1985. Either way, what a weird, ill-conceived award. I'm honestly surprised the NFL still has one.

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    1. Anfernee Hardaway - 152.7
    • Career - 105.1
      • 1994-2006, 2008
      • ORL, PHO, NYK, MIA
      • 61.9 Win Shares
      • 0.342 Adjusted MVP Award Shares (1x top five finish: 1996 - 3rd)
      • 2x All-NBA First Team Selection (1995, 1996)
      • 1x All-NBA Third Team Selection (1997)
      • 4x All-Star Selection (1995, 1996, 1997, 1998)
      • 2.4 Finals Win Shares (1 Finals loss - 1995 ORL)
      • 1.9 Conference Finals Win Shares (1 Conf. Finals loss - 1996 ORL)
    • Peak - 200.3
      • 1994-1998
    • Other achievements
      • 2x Great Midwest Player of the Year (1992, 1993)
      • 1x Olympic Gold Medalist (1996)
    • It's honestly a travesty that Hardaway isn't in the Hall of Fame yet. Even if you were going to say "his career doesn't merit induction," his peak certainly does. For those of you who weren't around for it, there were a couple years where he was almost unanimously considered the best basketball player on the planet. Granted, this is while Michael Jordan was playing baseball, but it still happened.
    • Hardaway got injured in the playoffs in 1996, and then just kept getting injured. People talk about Derrick Rose and Grant Hill all-time "what if" players, but Hardaway is probably at the top for me.

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  • 128. Chris Mullin - 152.7
    • Career - 119.2
      • 1986-2001
      • GSW, IND, GSW
      • 93.1 Win Shares
      • 0.088 Adjusted MVP Award Shares
      • 1x All-NBA First Team Selection (1992)
      • 2x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1989, 1991)
      • 1x All-NBA Third Team Selection (1990)
      • 5x All-Star Selection (1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993)
      • 0.3 Finals Win Shares (2000 IND)
      • 1.4 Conference Finals Win Shares (1998 IND, 1999 IND)
    • Peak - 186.3
      • 1989-1993
    • Other achievements
      • 3x Big East Player of the Year (1983, 1984, 1985)
      • National College Player of the Year (1985)
      • 2x Olympic Gold Medalist (1984, 1992)
      • #17 retired by the Golden State Warriors
      • College Basketball Hall of Fame Inductee (2011)
    • Mullin is probably best known for the teams he was on (the Dream Team, the Run-TMC Warriors, the 2000 Pacers) more than his individual play, but the guy could really score. It's a small sample size, but in the 1992 Olympics, he shot 61.9% from the field and 53.8% from three. He was actually the fourth leading scorer on the Dream Team, with 12.9 ppg, after Barkley, Jordan, and Malone.
    • The Run-TMC Warriors, for two seasons, were the definition of a "fun team to watch that won't win the title." It also seems like that team was around for a lot longer than it was, but Mullin, Tim Hardaway, and Mitch Richmond were all teammates for only the 1990 and 1991 seasons. They missed the playoffs in Hardaway's rookie year, then won 44 games in 1991 and made the second round. Then they traded Richmond for Billy Owens and that was that.

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  • 127. Joe Fulks - 152.8
    • Career - 95.5
      • 1947-1954
      • PHW
      • 29.2 Win Shares
      • 3x All-BAA First Team Selection (1947, 1948, 1949)
      • 1x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1951)
      • 2x All-Star Selection (1951, 1952)
      • 2.3 Championship Win Shares (1 title - 1947 PHW)
      • 1.9 Finals Win Shares (1 Finals loss - 1948 PHW)
    • Peak - 210.1
      • 1947-1951
    • Other achievements
      • College Basketball Hall of Fame Inductee (2006)
    • Fulks was the original "shoot first" player of the BAA. Some sources say he invented the jump shot, though that was probably a simultaneous innovation by several different players, but I thought I should mention it.
    • He set the league single-game scoring record four separate times, scoring 37 and later 41 in the 1947 season, then 47 in the 1948 season, then 63 in 1949. In the game he scored 63, he shot 27-56 from the field and 9-14 from the line. He took 56 shots in a single game! That's 1.17 per minute! Before the shot clock existed! The scoring record stood until Elgin Baylor scored 64 eleven seasons later. Wilt Chamberlain would later break the field goal attempts record (as he broke all records) with 63(!) in 1962.
    • Chamberlain (14 times), Fulks (three times), Baylor, Rick Barry, and Kobe Bryant (all once) are the only players to ever attempt 50+ field goals in a game.
    • Fulks also was a career 30.2% shooter, and holds the record for most shots missed in a game, shooting (drumroll...) 13-55 in one of those 50-attempt games. That's 42 misses folks. And that wasn't even his worst volume shooting game! He's also the record holder for the most misses in a playoff game, with 38, when he went 8-46 (17.4%).
    • Anyway, all of this talk about how many shots he took is going to sound somewhat insensitive when I tell you he was shot to death in a drunken argument in 1976, at age 54, by his girlfriend's son. As far as I can tell, Fulks is the only Hall of Famer (even including the NFL and MLB) to be murdered.

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    1. Horace Grant - 154.9
    • Career - 125.1
      • 1988-2004
      • CHI, ORL, SEA, LAL, ORL, LAL
      • 118.2 Win Shares
      • 1x All-Star Selection (1994)
      • 9.3 Championship Win Shares (4 titles - 1991 CHI, 1992 CHI, 1993 CHI, 2001 LAL)
      • 2.4 Finals Win Shares (1 Finals loss - 1995 ORL)
      • 4.9 Conference Finals Win Shares (3 Conf. Finals losses - 1989 CHI, 1990 CHI, 1996 ORL)
    • Peak - 184.7
      • 1991-1995
    • Other achievements
      • ACC Player of the Year (1987)
      • 4x All-Defensive Second Team Selection (1993, 1994, 1995, 1996)
    • I've always said Horace Grant is probably the best player to never get any Hall of Fame consideration.
    • Grant's identical twin, Harvey, also played in the NBA, lasting 11 seasons. Harvey's son is Jerami Grant, currently of the Portland Trail Blazers.
    • This always cracks me up, but Horace Grant's middle name is "Junior." He also named his son "Horace Junior Grant." Which makes the two of them Horace Junior Grant, Sr., and Horace Junior Grant, Jr.

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  • 125. Jack Sikma - 155.0
    • Career - 137.3
      • 1978-1991
      • SEA, MIL
      • 112.5 Win Shares
      • 0.134 Adjusted MVP Award Shares
      • 7x All-Star Selection (1979, 1980, 1981, 192, 1983, 1984, 1985)
      • 1.8 Championship Win Shares (1 title - 1979 SEA)
      • 2.1 Finals Win Shares (1 Finals loss - 1978 SEA)
      • 0.9 Conference Finals Win Shares (1 Conf. Finals loss - 1980 SEA)
    • Peak - 172.7
      • 1979-1983
    • Other achievements
      • 3x CCIW Player of the Year (1975, 1976, 1977)
      • 1x All-Defensive Second Team Selection (1982)
      • 10,000 Rebound Club (10,816; 31st all-time)
      • #43 retired by the Seattle SuperSonics
    • I cannot adequately explain the "Sikma Move," so you're just going to have to watch it. (It 100% looks like a travel to me, but we all know guys never traveled in the 70s and 80s, so what do I know.)

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    1. Kevin Johnson - 155.7
    • Career - 121.7
      • 1988-1998, 2000
      • CLE, PHO
      • 92.8 Win Shares
      • 0.063 Adjusted MVP Award Shares
      • 4x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1989, 1990, 1991, 1994)
      • 1x All-NBA Third Team Selection (1992)
      • 3x All-Star Selection (1990, 1991, 1994)
      • 1.6 Finals Win Shares (1 Finals loss - 1993 PHO)
      • 3.8 Conference Finals Win Shares (2 Conf. Finals losses - 1989 PHO, 1990 PHO)
    • Peak - 189.7
      • 1989-1993
    • Other achievements
      • Most Improved Player (1989)
      • 1x World Cup Gold Medalist (1994)
      • 5,000 Assist Club (6,711; 26th all-time)
      • #7 retired by the Phoenix Suns
    • I think we're all familiar with the Charles Barkley-Kevin Johnson Suns from 1993-1996 who made the Finals once and how stacked they were with high level role players: Danny Ainge, Cedric Ceballos, Tom Chambers, A.C. Green, Michael Finley, Dan Majerle, and Danny Manning were all on the team at some point in that run. But what I think is the truly remarkable was the Suns roster from 1997-1998 after Barkley left. It featured Johnson alongside Jason Kidd and Steve Nash, for the most stacked point guard depth chart in league history. (The 1997 squad even had Sam Cassell for a bit, but he was part of the trade that brought in Kidd.)
    • It's not exactly rare for a player to make an All-NBA team without making the All-Star team in the same season. It's unusual, but it's happened several times in throughout league history. What is rare is that it happened to Kevin Johnson twice.
    • Johnson was also the mayor of Sacramento from 2008-2016, and played a role in keeping the Kings there.

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  • 123. Chet Walker - 155.7
    • Career - 141.9
      • 1963-1975
      • SYR/PHI, CHI
      • 117.5 Win Shares
      • 0.007 Adjusted MVP Award Shares
      • 7x All-Star Selection (1964, 1966, 1967, 1970, 1971, 1973, 1974)
      • 2.3 Championship Win Shares (1 title - 1967 PHI)
      • 5.9 Conference Finals Win Shares (5 Conf. Finals losses - 1965 PHI, 1966 PHI, 1968 PHI, 1974 CHI, 1975 CHI)
    • Peak - 169.6
      • 1967-1971
    • Walker might be the most generic Hall of Fame player I can think of. He was the third-best player on the Sixers team that ended the Celtics eight-peat, after Wilt Chamberlain and Hal Greer (though an argument could be made for Billy Cunningham), and he has career averages of 18.2/7.1/2.1 over 13 seasons. I honestly don't even have that much else interesting to say about him, so let's just move on.

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  • 122. Kyle Lowry - 155.8
    • Career - 132.4
      • 2007-2023
      • MEM, HOU, TOR/TTB, MIA
      • 108.1 Win Shares
      • 0.005 Adjusted MVP Award Shares
      • 1x All-NBA Third Team Selection (2016)
      • 6x All-Star Selection (2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020)
      • 2.8 Championship Win Shares (1 title - 2019 TOR)
      • 1.2 Finals Win Shares (1 Finals loss - 2023 MIA
      • 1.3 Conference Finals Win Shares (2 Conf. Finals losses - 2016 TOR, 2022 MIA)
    • Peak - 179.3
      • 2016-2020
    • Other achievements
      • 1x Olympic Gold Medalist (2016)
      • 5,000 Assist Club (6,750; 24th all-time)
    • I think, personally, Lowry is my Hall of Fame litmus test. Was Player X better than Kyle Lowry? If yes, put him in the Hall of Fame. If no, keep him out. As for Lowry himself? I'm still undecided.
    • Lowry is also the definition of a late-bloomer. He wasn't a full-time starter until his fifth season, wasn't an All-Star until his ninth season, wasn't All-NBA until his 10th season, and wasn't a champion until his 13th season. In fact, through his first eight seasons, he would've scored approximately 20 points on this scale.

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  • 121. Blake Griffin - 157.7
    • Career - 117.2
      • 2011-2023
      • LAC, DET, BRK, BOS
      • 81.1 Win Shares
      • 0.354 Adjusted MVP Award Shares (1x top five finish: 2014 - 3rd)
      • 3x All-NBA Second Team Selection (2012, 2013, 2014)
      • 2x All-NBA Third Team Selection (2015, 2019)
      • 6x All-Star Selection (2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2019)
    • Peak - 198.2
      • 2011-2015
    • Other achievements
      • Big 12 Player of the Year (2009)
      • Consensus National College Player of the Year (2009)
      • Rookie of the Year (2011)
    • Griffin, like Vince Carter, is going to go down in history as "that guy with the good dunks," but I feel like that really sells him a bit short. He had a pretty good shot, nice post moves, and was an excellent passer. Injuries just absolutely devastated his career after about five years, which is even more crushing for someone who relies on their uber-athleticism.
    • Even still, I can think of worse things than having your legacy be boiled down to this.