Sundial

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

It’s not obtuse, it’s a fact. Maybe just realized as a fact, but a fact nonetheless.

Show me evidence of this supposed fact of yours then.

I guess it would be Spain for Cuba. Have they asked? Has Cuba asked the US?

An intentional deflection from the point of US sanctions harming Cuba's ability to support itself after a natural disaster. But to entertain your question, yes they did ask.

Personally I’d be all for helping. To a point.

No you just want to tie your views on humanitarian aid to political beliefs, and not actual humanitarian ones. It's abundantly clear you're not able to see America do anything wrong on the world stage and instead insist that everything it's done is justified but fail to actually provide the justifications.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

Ok now you're really just being intentionally obtuse. The terrorist designation was older than the Biden administration. The limitations on the tourism was during the Biden administration.

But, it’s interesting that you blame Cuba’s electrical grid failure on it.

I blame American sanctions on Cuba's inability to adequately help it's people during a disaster, yes.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

They do exist. There were at least 4 rounds of diplomatic discussions. Notes were taken.

Ok so show me evidence of this supposed deal then.

The link still stands at State. It’s the current position.

And Biden campaigned on changing it but broke that promise.

What new sanctions? Specifics.

It's literally in the article as well as one of the excerpts I quoted to you in my first comment:

Instead, Biden has one-upped Trump by going further than the previous administration in attacking Cuba’s tourism industry – the main engine of the island’s economy. Two years ago, the Biden State Department barred foreigners who visit Cuba from visa-free travel to the U.S.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

So Cuban-American's living in America voted one way and therefore Cuba must be punished? Not really getting your logic here.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

because they provoked the Cuban electorate living in Florida to vote Republican

Who's they in this case?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (21 children)

No actual documents exist for the diplomc thaw.

Because they don't exist.

You're link is for 2019. Biden ran in 2020 and he included in his platform to move towards normalizing relationships with Cuba. He has since decided to impose even more sanctions which had a direct negative result on the Cuban economy making them much more vulnerable to disasters like this. So again, what are the justifications of the sanctions?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (23 children)

Ok, so no actual deal right? Just discussions. Gotcha.

So in the absence of any actual deal that was supposedly reneged on Cuba's part. What's the justification of the sanctions imposed by Trump and Biden, and it's continuation of it?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

No you said, "because they provoked the Cuban electorate living in Florida to vote Republican".

So no, the sanctions are not justified.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

Nowhere in either of the 2 articles you provided does it say Cuba tried to influence votes in any way. In fact, they full on say that there is no real reason that Cuba is sanctioned to begin with:

From the first article:

In short, there is no longer any legitimate rationale whatsoever for Cuba being designated a state sponsor of terrorism. Cuba stays on the list because the Biden administration does not have the political courage to remove it — even though Cuba and the United States have a Memorandum of Agreement and active dialogue on counter-terrorism cooperation!

The second article only mentions that upset Cuban-Americans (not the Cuban government) were upset with the Democrats and voted Republican.

A vocal Cuban diaspora community in the U.S. has helped push the formerly contested state of Florida firmly into Republican hands. Among Democrats, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chair Bob Menendez, himself the son of Cuban immigrants who fled prior to the revolution, has proven to be among the most powerful opponents within Biden's own party of any easing of restrictions against Cuba.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago

Cuba is not the most sanctioned country in the world

I never said that? Not sure what the point of your comment is here.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Can you source this please? I'm not able to find anything like that on my own.

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