Tinidril

I understood. My point was that there is no similar link related to the autocratic regime of Bolsonaro. Autocrats can often be defeated electorally even once they gain power. I think the situation in the US is closer to Balsonaro in Brazil than Hitler in Germany.

Yeah, Germany is a model worth considering, but so is Brazil. Autocrats aren't consistently capable of cementing their rule. Do what works for you, but I intend to stay and fight.

They aren't idiots, they just know who signs their paychecks.

Until the next election is cancelled, I will be working under the assumption that it will happen. Fuck that defeatist crap.

When it comes to this issue, you can't really say that Trump is that much worse. Either way Gaza and the West Bank were heading to oblivion. Rhetoric aside, there is no evidence that Harris would have ever stood up to Israel in any meaningful way.

There is always a bunch of relevant factors in the outcome of a national election. It's the job of the candidate to overcome those hurdles. If they don't, then they were the wrong candidate. It's not about blame, it's about how we do better next time.

I'd much prefer that Harris won, but it does warm my heart a bit that the Democratic establishment got fucked for their manipulation of the 2020 primary and subsequent forcing of a Harris run. If we are talking blame, then that's where it belongs. Fuck the Clintons, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest of the DNC corporate lineup.

Then the next time a MAGA-esque Republican came along, which would probably be in 2028 or 32 they'd feel free to completely take the gloves off.

And you think letting treason pass with no consequences isn't also sending a message?

The Republicans have no shame and aren't waiting for the Democrats to strike first. Take away one rationalization and they will just manufacture another.

It's happened before. You have to go all the way back to FDR, but it happened.

You can't judge primary races like that. The final spread is irrelevant because of how the votes are spread out. The media calls it long before half the country has even voted, then the remaining votes always avalanche to the presumed winner.

Not sure why this applies to what I said, but my few Republican friends and family are uncomfortably aware of what I think about their politics.

You tried to chastise voters to see things your way, and now you're surprised that it didn't work. Sure, you were absolutely right, but the way you and others made your case made your efforts less than useless. The way you feel about those voters is exactly how I feel about you right now, because I was ignored by you and your fellow ranters for months while you berated voters into hardening their stance against you and Harris.

Biden undermined democracy by preventing a proper primary from taking place. The voters never got to nominate a candidate, and the establishment thrust a candidate on them that had already been rejected in a previous primary. That's the establishment's fault, and Biden if the face of the Democratic establishment.