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Oh, don't worry. I'm sure they'll fall in line in a couple of days and act like Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

God damn, people make me hate people.

And that alone would be enough, but add to that the fact that they cost about 100 grand a piece, and yet they are essentially held together with bubblegum and shoestring. Bro, you paid a year's worth of salary for the average middle class person to drive around an ugly, falling-apart piece of shit created by a fascist. Yeah. We're gonna point and laugh at your dumb ass.

They're not evil, they're not idiots.

Hard disagree.

But if someone just votes for the other main party to the one I do, who cares?

People who will get hurt by that other party gaining the presidency, or people who care about people getting hurt. Or just people with an ounce of empathy.

None of which seem to apply to you.

Fuck that, and fuck you. They made their bed. Lying in it is the natural consequence.

For me, it's super easy. My "normal" relationship with Trumpers is one of intense scorn and derision because they're terrible people that I want nothing to do with. So nothing's going to change for me.

It's pretty simple: they willingly sacrificed every last ounce of humanity for a grifter / bully. They're not coming back. Chasing after the relationship you used to have with them before they decided to embrace virulent hatred is a losing proposition. Sure, you can mourn that lost relationship, but hoping that they're going to magically see the light and stop being the human equivalent of anal warts is only going to cause you further disappointment and pain.

Calling him a comedian is being overly generous.

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of humor?

When there were three TV stations, did any of them highlight police brutality? Overincarceration? The military industrial complex?

This is a very fair point. True, having very limited news options didn't allow for a lot of deviation in agreement on observable reality, but to your point, it could also easily paper over a lot of very ugly parts of the actual reality. Chomsky writes quite a lot about this in his book "Manufacturing Consent", which basically is a dive into how media organizations can be used as the propaganda arm of the government. Everything from choosing what you show to choosing how you talk about things goes towards bolstering an underlying narrative that you want to project.

I'm not sure what a solution would look like, if one is even possible. But solution or no, the narrative divergence in this country has primed us to detest each other, which is the first crucial step towards mass violence.

I really don't understand why anybody is demanding anything of him, as if he was some normal candidate who is running for president. He's not.

He is a traitor who is running to stay out of prison, and because he personally appointed a bunch of them to their stations, the agents of the US "Justice System" are allowing this. Demanding Trump provide medical records, as if he were just some normal, legitimate candidate, is in a sense normalizing him. He's not a normal candidate. He's a symptom of the rot at the core of our democracy. We should be treating him as such.

I'm less worried about that, not because there aren't evil people among the Democrats, but because the Democrats are positioning themselves as the anti-fascist party at the moment. Starting up a fascist movement of their own at the moment would be bad business.

Long term, though? 100% agree. Can't trust none of these fucks. Hopefully, the Interstate Popular Vote Compact kicks off before that happens, and we can do away with the EC. Won't completely solve the problem, but it will help.