evasive_chimpanzee

I think over the past few decades, immigration enforcement has been a benefit to these people.

The government cracks down on illegal immigration publicly, which keeps an environment of fear among a community that knows they can't rely on the government to ensure fair wages or safe working conditions. The people hiring them then know they can exploit immigrants without any scrutiny.

In the past, maybe immigration enforcement loss them 5% of their labor, but saved them 20% in wages (completely made up numbers). Maybe they expected the same now?

Octopodes have a different nervous system than vertebrates. We have a brain that does almost all of the "thinking" while the rest of the nervous system is either sending or receiving signals (with some "thinking" done below the brain like in the spine).

Octopuses have a brain, but much of the "thinking" is done by nerve clusters in each tenticle.

While grasping on object for humans requires signals going from hand to brain and back, for octopi, a lot of the signals can literally just stay in the tentacle.

It makes sense in that context that they would learn tasks in specific tentacles.

According to articles I've read (i.e., im not expert), they had visas (or the electronic visa-free authorization) that allow for certain limited business purposes.

• Consult with business associates
• Attend a scientific, educational, professional, or business convention or conference
• Settle an estate
• Negotiate a contract

Performing regular work, like building a factory, is explicitly not allowed. From what I read, if a US firm buys equipment from a foreign company, they can have people with that visa class (b1) do installation, but it has to be explicitly arranged ahead of time. I'm not sure if that applies in this situation since it's not a US firm on either side of the equation (unless there's a separate business entity of Hyundai USA or something like that).

Honestly, this whole thing reads to me like a megacorporation not wanting to pay an outside firm to build their new factory when they already have contractors they have that relationship with, and they also didn't want to shell out the money (and they didn't have the legal basis) for the correct type of visas. They instead tried to get their contractors to perform work that shouldn't be allowed and they expected to get away with it. Now that they've been caught, they are trying to get public opinion on their side by trying to connect what happened to their well paid engineers and technicians to what's been happening to poor manual laborers who've literally walked to the US by themselves to escape violence created by the US's own meddling.

I'm open to being wrong about this, but I don't think I am. Hyundai absolutely has the resources to have dotted their i's and crossed their t's to ensure this wouldn't happen.

The reason all these auto manufacturers move to southern states is to avoid a unionized labor force.

That's really a feature to them, not a bug.

Im definitely not a lawyer, but here is a government link.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-visit/visitor.html

Permitted activities under b1 include

• Consult with business associates
• Attend a scientific, educational, professional, or business convention or conference
• Settle an estate
• Negotiate a contract

Not permitted include:

• Study
• Employment
• Paid performances, or any professional performance before a paying audience
• Arrival as a crewmember on a ship or aircraft
• Work as foreign press, in radio, film, print journalism, or other information media
• Permanent residence in the United States

Also on that official site, it says the permitted activities for visa-free (ESTA) are the same as B visas.

If someone is employed outside the US and comes to the US on behalf of their employer, and not paid for their services by any US entity, then it doesn't matter what they do, as long as they leave when they are supposed to.

The US government actually doesn't care who is paying for the work, what matters is if the work is taking place within the US, it requires a proper visa (or esta).

I auto-translated the Korean article on this because it has more detail.

https://n.news.naver.com/article/015/0005180971?sid=101

Sounds like the majority of people picked up were in fact Korean citizens working under false pretenses. They used b1 visas and ESTA (non-visa travel authorization) meant for things like personal travel or international meetings, but not productive work like constructing a new facility.

The fact that they were Korean insinuates that they weren't doing run-of-the-mill construction tasks because that could be handled by local firms (who would probably be hiring local Latino workers): they were probably there for much more technical work.

Hyundai would have known this, and would have been intentionally breaking this law. This sounds to me a lot more like a big company actually getting consequences than what ice has been doing raiding small businesses and home depot parking lots.

I, personally, have grown muscle tissue in a laboratory environment, so I know what it takes to actually grow muscle tissue. What I'm not familiar with is what the lab-grown meat industry practices are, but I just looked into it briefly.

There are 2 companies currently with approval to sell a lab-grown meat product in the US: Upside Foods and Good Meat.

Both sell chicken. Upside Food's process is outlined in their FDA submission. They specifically state: "several media protein components (e.g., bovine serum albumin, growth factors) are required for sustaining cell viability and growth during the culture process" i.e., they rely on albumin from cattle like I suspected.

Unfortunately, since the "creation of chicken cells" is FDA regulated, but "production of chicken meat" is USDA regulated, that document doesn't actually go into detail on how the cells are turned into the final product. This Wired article, however, says that they are basically just laying out sheets of the cells, and then manually stacking them to give some structure, which is not a scalable solution. Also, it seems like they are somewhat falling apart as a company not that they are running out of VC money. It looks like they are also trying to pivot into producing some sort of primarily plant based sausage with a little chicken cells thrown in. I'm assuming that's a last gasp to produce something profitable.

Good Meats, on the other hand, I can't find as much information on. The equivalent FDA document is on the other side of a link that seems broken. According to what they publish on their site, they are essentially vat growing cells, straining them off, and then extruding them into a shape.

In both cases, I don't think it's accurate to call the product "meat" since the cells will not have the structure of muscle cells (long strands), and there isn't any tissue organization or adhesion to an extracellular matrix. It's more of a pate even though they called a fillet.

The ecological footprint of both of the companies is greater than just conventional chicken production. I know this because both websites try really carefully to make it seem like they are better, but they can't say that they are.

Upside foods phrases all of their claims as "what if we could do x, y, and z?" Rather than saying that they can do it. Good Meats similarly has an FAQ of "is it better than conventional?" and their response is "we believe it will be".

A little while after we happen to contaminate said planet with extremophiles accidentally brought aboard our probe/lander

Like Einstein adding the cosmological constant to his equations because he initially couldn't conceive of the universe expanding, and the equations wouldn't work otherwise.

In addition to selective breeding like others have mentioned, supply chain logistics have gotten much more advanced over the years. You can get many fruits right at the peak of ripeness year round due to sourcing and better storage methodologies.

Science has also gotten better at giving plants what they need to grow successfully, so almost all agricultural products are much larger than they would have been 50 years ago. If you take an apple tree from an orchard, and stick it in a random person's back yard and neglect it, it will have way smaller fruit. Irrigation, fertilization, etc, allow things to grow bigger, but the parts needed for the actual reproduction don't really grow much, so that extra energy just ends up producing fruit that's more "watered down".

In a grain, for example, theres 3 parts: germ, bran, and endosperm. The germ is the little start of the seedlings, and it contains protein, minerals, and fats. The bran is the other coating that has fiber, protein, and minerals. The endosperm is mostly just carbs. In modern grain, the endosperm takes up a much larger percentage of the grain than in older varieties (and non-fertilized/irrigated/weeded/pest controlled fields)

And poison ivy more powerful