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I mean, if he went to high school in a red state, maybe his high school econ homework would explain why he's like this.

I mean, at least you acknowledged that I said it this time. Even if I'm now slightly less convinced that you deliberately aren't getting it, because you still didn't seem to understand what I was actually arguing.

They say it takes exponentially more effort to debunk bullshit than it does to spread it, and when I'm making a real effort to make a point and your rebuttal is basically "nuh uh," that seems to hold true. Fortunately, I don't have to type out the argument myself when I can just post Charlynn Teter's excellent essay, sources included, about it instead. https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2021/01/30/no-more-lies-the-truth-about-raising-the-minimum-wage/ I look forward to how you "nuh uh" this.

I think you're pretending not to understand the relevance of the minimum wage because two comments ago I said this:

Furthermore, raising the minimum wage leads to people in that gap also getting raises. People can and do benefit tremendously from the minimum wage being raised, even if they have never personally worked at minimum wage. As such, the minimum wage is relevant to far, far more workers than are actually getting it.

And you proceeded to act like I didn't.

Alright, so what individual actions are you personally undertaking to affect the kinds of systemic change we need for our economy to work for all of us? Surely if your ideology is founded on reality, you're making real change, right?

For me, personally, I am advocating for policy changes that would benefit us. My efficacy is limited, because my only real option is to bother my elected officials about it when I'm not busy working longer hours for lower real wages just to survive, but given that I believe policy changes are the only way to actually solve any of our systemic problems, I am at least ideologically consistent.

I'm sorry, how in the fuck is the minimum wage not related to the fact that rising prices and inflation are causing people to struggle financially? That's like saying the tides have nothing to do with surfing.

And sure, wages are up, the problem is that if you bother to account for inflation and COL, the purchasing power they provide is down. That's what people mean when they say "real wages." I'm sure you know that on some level, even if for purposes of this discussion, you're pretending not to.

I wish I lived in your fantasy world where individuals who are being adversely affected by the cost of eggs can still somehow magically not only afford the startup costs of a farm, and manage to not only sell eggs at prices beating out major agribusiness, but can also do so at a sufficient scale to affect system-level change. What absolute starry-eyed naivete.

Your number leaves out all of the people whose pay rates are above minimum wage, but are still poverty wages. There is quite a large gap between minimum and poverty, and not in the direction that benefits the working class.

Furthermore, raising the minimum wage leads to people in that gap also getting raises. People can and do benefit tremendously from the minimum wage being raised, even if they have never personally worked at minimum wage. As such, the minimum wage is relevant to far, far more workers than are actually getting it.

I don't. Maybe I should. I have housemates who use the garage for their actual cars, so I do feel like I'm trusting them to keep the garage door closed, but then again, one of them works from home, so he usually keeps an eye on things. Also, my neighborhood is like super dead, basically nothing ever happens there.

Might not be the worst idea, though.

I agree, we should throw him in prison for the rest of his life.

You trying to give them lasting psychological trauma?

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