treefrog

I listen to Bauhaus and grow gourmet mushrooms.

Unidentified fungi are not equivalent at all to dark energy.

I'm not telling anyone not to take psilocybin. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm questioning the bias in that FDA advisory board. A reasonable question considering decades of prohibition and that historically FDA advisory boards have owned stocks in pharmaceutical companies that stand to lose profits if MDMA is approved as a medication.

In other words, the 9 out of 11 statistic that you just cited is a statistic that I don't trust because these individuals have historically been biased and are not specialists in psychedelic medicine.

And your whole argument hinges on this idea that because we have a treatment that could be effective we should not look into more effective treatments. In which case, meditation works just fine for all of this and is much safer than any medication we can put in our body. So, should we not use any mental health medications? And put all of our research money just into meditation? After all it is safe and effective, and much safer than either of these drugs.

Depends on if municipalities sue or not to recoup those costs.

The Florida laws will hurt undocumented migrants the most.

Which is to say, don't forget the racism as a motivation.

Again you conflate symptoms and disease.

I think that's all I need to point out for anybody following this conversation.

There's so much projection in your post it's ridiculous.

PTSD is not treatable with SSRIs. Depression is.

And the logic you are using is that because psilocybin works well for depression it will be great for PTSD.

We already know that's not the case when we look at other drugs used to treat depression and PTSD. Such as the SSRIs I just mentioned.

They're not the same disease and you are drawing false comparisons between the two. I have lived with CPTSD my entire life. I have tried multiple anxiety and depression treatments. And they didn't work that well, because I have PTSD and not anxiety or depression, those are simply symptoms. And I have taken psilocybin probably 50 times if not more. Because I enjoy it and it helps me clarify my relationship with myself. But it's not as good at helping me feel safe and connected to other human beings as MDMA is.

If MDMA therapy was available I would jump on it tomorrow because I know it would help me more.

I've been researching this stuff personally for over 30 years. Both through consumption and studying the pharmacology and scientific literature.

You seem to be like a first-year psychedelic therapist or something because I remember that class description that you linked, which you completely misinterpreted as well.

Does psilocybin have some potential in treating PTSD? Yes. Does the current scientific understanding suggest that it would be better than MDMA for this? No. In fact it suggests that MDMA is superior in treating PTSD. And psilocybin is superior for treating end of life anxiety and depression, assuming these symptoms aren't being caused by an underlying condition such as PTSD.

They are very different diseases. Even if the symptomology is similar, that doesn't mean the treatment is the same.

I love psilocybin. I used to grow them and still am fond of them and encourage others to explore them.

But it treating similar symptoms to PTSD is not the same as having an 80% success rate with actual PTSD, which is the claim you're making and not the claim your study is making.

PTSD is not anxiety or depression, even if it can present with similar symptoms. Nor is it substance use disorder. It's trauma and it requires safety and community to unpack.

Psilocybin is great at helping us develop a deeper relationship with ourselves and life generally. But the hormones released during an MDMA session better facilitate safety and connection.

Honestly I'm not trying to convince you in particular because we've had this conversation before and you're unwilling to reexamine your own conclusions. But I'll keep correcting the narrative for others who come along.

I would love to know how many members of this board have stock portfolios in pharmaceutical companies that are currently collecting huge amounts of money from antidepressants being used to treat people with PTSD.

Antidepressants that really aren't effective in the treatment of PTSD but make the pharmaceutical industry a shitload of money.

Like most things, when we follow the money we learn why powerful people make the decisions they do. And I imagine this instance is no different.

Again you're spouting statistics with no scientific evidence to support them. I remember that study you linked with the 80%. That rate was not for PTSD but other chronic mental health conditions being treated with psilocybin.

Your claims have no evidence to support them so please stop. Because you're not helping.

Psilocybin is not more effective for treating PTSD.

It's great for anxiety depression, those are not PTSD.

And you and I have had this conversation before but you are still spouting the same nonsense.

Both are needed. And you are minimizing what the FDA is doing here and how it will hurt people with PTSD.

This was seriously your response was to back track and say, well actually, cold is more dangerous anyway?

You don't need to reply. You proved to me already that you're not acring in good faith.

Tennessee is hot and humid.

Temperatures over 104f (40c) were common before climate change.

104 is the UK record from 2022. 113 for Tennessee, a record set during the great depression.

This is above the wet bulb level and AC isn't a privilege because without it, people will die.