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i think you are the one arguing that second and third order effects impose moral responsibility. i have been arguing against that.
I have never argued that all second or third-order effects impose moral responsibility. I have argued that directly funding a service that has the killing of a sentient being as its primary purpose creates moral responsibility.
A parent giving birth knows their child will die, but the death is not the purpose of the act, nor is it the service they are paying for. A person buying meat is paying a corporation specifically to ensure an animal is killed. You are paying for the service of slaughter.
Having a child is a biological reality; it is not a market transaction. A grocery store purchase is a direct, bilateral contract. You give money; they give you a product that required a killing. You are the direct, primary financier of that specific act.
You haven't been arguing against second-order effects; you have been dodging the fact that your purchase is a first-order effect. You are the reason the animal was slaughtered. If you weren't there to pay for it, the slaughterhouse would have no reason to exist.
This debate has become a circular exercise where you redefine terms whenever you are backed into a corner.
fortunately i don't do that. most people don't.
impossible. the person who did the killing was already paid, and paid by someone who isn't me.
no, they're paying for a product that has already been produced.