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[–] Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 113 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

first they came for our russia backed nazis

then they came for our russia backed commies

slippery slope amirite!!!

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

And there's not even any ICE over there!

(Don't read too much into a silly pun)

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Maybe, but they only trying to silence them, not to solve the problems that cause their rising...

[–] MyButSmellsBat@feddit.org 1 points 2 hours ago

You mean the problem that almost all media is controlled by right-wing billionaires?

yes, thats big problem. But it's good to at least take away some power from the party

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately at the stage we are at we dont have enough time to only fight the root causes.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe true, but these are the consequences of ignoring (or creating) the problems but as it seems they don't even care to understand why AfD get so many support.
Only silencing them now will end with AfD with more votes and even less time to attack the root causes.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Of course the current German government doesnt care for the root causes. CDU has always sided with millionaires and promoted suppression of the working class. They are hoping to shut down AfD while staying in power. On an EU level, we cant really do more than this but its the least that needs to happen.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Racists and fascists should be silenced.

I'm sorry they are upset that they saw a minority or that they overheard people speaking a foreign language while being brown. They can get over themselves

You don't need to pamper these beliefs. You can lead the voters to the actual cause of the issue without allowing them to empower fascists.

Usually the real issue is economic. Lack of housing, low wages, failing Healthcare. Those can be addressed. You don't have to allow the group trying to blame poor minority groups a seat at the table. You address the real issues

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

"Oh no, a kebab stand on every street corner?!? What am I to do? Delicious, delicious kebab. I could try one from a different place every day and it would still take weeks to find the best one. This is unheard of! This is unfair! It's the parliament's fault! If they didn't let in so many foreigners then I wouldn't have this many choices before me. I could eat a good German currywurst, or a good German schnitzel, and not be inundated with so many options like 'felafel or haloumi?' or 'dΓΆner or dΓΌrΓΌm?'. This cannot stand!"

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This cannot stand? You just said a stand on every corner! ;-)

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

Yes, but that was a noun. This is a verb.

(As if fascists understand grammar)

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Well expect the local DΓΆner shop can stay, he's one of the good ones you see

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah right, if AfD had their way that guy and all his nephews would get picked up at the grocery store or at the park or on their way to work or in their own homes, and saying "but I work at the local dΓΆner shop!" isn't likely to help them much.

Then all the right-wingers would start complaining when the dΓΆner shops all start shutting down, like "Those damn foreigners are abandoning me right when I need my lunch! I knew they were good for nuthin!"

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

It's more of a joke on the people voting for the party and not the party line itself. The party means it

Kinda the classic conservative thing of not seeing a problem until it effects them personally. Or at least a variation.

The US is seeing the same thing, spouses voting for Trump then seeing their illegal/asylum seeking husband/wife deported and being shocked because "they were doing it right, or they were good not a problem"

The cognitive dissonance is amazing

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Or ICE scaring off workers and food rotting in fields and construction work being slowed. It's infuriating on many levels.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

And then complaining when they can't buy tacos for lunch...

[–] Ibuthyr@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

The AfD doesn't really give a shit about foreigners. They mainly use them to gain votes. All they care about is money and power. Blaming foreigners for all of the problems is the easiest way to get votes. They hate poor white Germans almost as much as brown people.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

All they care about is money and power. Blaming foreigners for all of the problems is the easiest way to get votes.

Hmm, I wonder who else tried this strategy in Germany's history... πŸ€”

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's the fash-test way to gain power.

Apologies for the shitty pun. But only if it made you groan

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

At first glance I thought you meant like a litmus test for fascism. Like dip this strip of paper and if it turns red that means the person is a fascist.

[–] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, they care about foreigners and who they behold to be foreigners. They already had a conference, in quite close proximity to the Wannsee, to discuss how they would like to handle them. No extermination, yet. But the Nazis also didn't start with death camps but plans for deportation or ethnic cleansing or remigration like it is called today.
(Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Potsdam_far-right_meeting)

[–] Ibuthyr@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago

You're absolutely right. But it is more a means of controlling anti-sentiments to gain votes and it works really well because they instill a fear into people that actually isn't real. I'm fucking scared of what will happen when they come into power. What I meant with my comment is that they hate anyone who isn't rich. A rich foreigner has nothing to fear as long as they play along. It's disgusting.

[–] baconmonsta@piefed.social 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Which problems do you mean here?

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Neoliberal policies that take wealth way from everybody but the rich and gives it to them.

[–] SapphireSphinx@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Neoliberal policies that take wealth way from everybody but the rich and gives it to them.

I do not know about other EU countries but in my country these far right voters want MORE Capitalism/Neoliberalism, not less.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 19 hours ago

The paradox is that they'll blame taxation for being broke even if the actual reason is capitalism.

I reckon one major reason is that taxation is the visible part of your money being "stolen" whereas capitalists profiting off your labour is... well, potentially visible if it's a private company and the owner flaunts his wealth, but generally if it's a big publicly traded company, or a foreign multinational, etc, you need to be looking at the annual reports or something, because there's no real local boss taking all the profit.

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yes, that is the whole stupidity about it. They suffer from it, like we all do, and then they want more of it. But they need to be dragged towards leftist policies or they will drag us all into the abyss.

Because fascist parties have a scapegoat and clear things they want to change. Meanwhile the centrist parties that claim to be "left" are just sputtering around doing more of the same or window dressing approaches that do nothing, and are more interested in stopping the actual leftist movements that will help people and stop fascism.

[–] baconmonsta@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You don't believe that causes people to vote rather left instead?

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 hours ago

If everyone was intelligent, sure. But that's not how propaganda works, unfortunately...

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Wealth inequality effects everyone and so it changes how everyone votes, but it also causes certain "answers" to that problem to become more popular or tolerable. So what we're seeing around the globe is the rise of the far right who are providing the "answer" that rising inequality and lowering standard of living is entirely the fault of immigrants, the loss of the "traditional family", and pretty much any "answer" except for useful ones. So no, this typically starts by driving people to the right as the right will most easily attempt to maintain the status quo at the expense of the scapegoat.

The follow on effect is the rise of the "radical" left which provides the answer "tax the ultra wealthy, invest in public infrastructure, and strengthen worker rights" - all things that reduce wealth inequality or increase the standard of living.

We're currently figuring out which side will win out in the long run or if the fundamentals will continue to not change and delay this issue further. For example Merz and the CDU in Germany making life better for the rich and worse for everyone else, delaying the inevitable decision of either the AFD winning or some party like Die Linke (hopefully) or Die GrΓΌns winning. So Germans get to watch their lives get worse until they're ready to vote in parties with real positive change on their mind (or the opposite, real terrible changes like AFD).

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sure, a certain part, but if I look at my country or other democratic countries the right manages through their control of the media to convince a lot of people that it is the immigrants fault and we just need to be more xenophobic and then we will all be better off.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What planet are you even living on? Have you not seen the state of America? Remember Brexit? Why do you think fascists are surging in the polls everywhere? If a declining standard of living and quality of life created leftism out of thin air every developed economy would be on the verge of socialism in 2026.

Neoliberal/Conservative policies make the working class poorer and the rich richer, who use their capital to seize the means of democracy, kill competition, create monopolies, consolidate ownership of the media, etc and engage in wholesale propaganda aiming to divide and conquer the working class. The greatest threat to the Epstein classes wealth and power is a truly democratic government working "for the people", so they're promoting the same fascist populism everywhere to implement totalitarian dictatorship and remove the threat of democracy.

The uneducated moron who "doesn't do politics" is the easiest mark for fascism to con, because they can't see the incongruence; the patterns of lies, crimes, corruption, and psychopathy only learned from studying historic parallels.

[–] juanito_the_great@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

[Insert racist & fascist propaganda here]

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's better than not silencing them, no?

[–] WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can snip the vocal cords of all the vicious dogs you want. Sure they stop barking, but they will still maul you

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Then send animal control after the ones who bite.

But these aren't dogs. These are humans with voting rights and the ability to run for office. Banning fascist political parties is a good thing, and it's strange that you seem to think otherwise.

[–] WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

It's an endless game of whack a mole if you silence specific parties. The only way to stop them is to improve people's material conditions so that fascism has no appeal.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's how they should've stopped hitler. Just improve people's material conditions, it's not like he's actively sabotaging that in order to manipulate them into giving him more power. Oh wait, he did.

If whackamole is what it takes to keep the fascists down, then whackamole is what it'll be. History is never over. Life and society are never won. There will always be a danger of resurgence. Vigilance will always be necessary.

Sorry to tell you this, but it's true. The balance of the world hangs on a razor's edge at the best of times. It doesn't take much to destabilize a system when everything is going smoothly.

So sure, improve people's material conditions. There's a lot we could do better in the world. But don't stop whacking fascism every time it rears its ugly head...

[–] WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Dude, the German government literally handed power to Hitler in an election he didn't win, because those in power would rather slaughter every minority they can think of rather than give an inch to the left.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, and that was fucked up. Not sure how that changes what I said...