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the Orville is the best TNG we got since TNG
I didn't really like the Orville. Or rather, I wanted to like it, but found myself getting bored with it extremely fast. Every single episode is a new social commentary, without exception.
Obviously, Star Trek has a TONNE of social commentary, so that itself is not the problem. The problem I had, is that Star Trek also has sci-fi mysteries, silly episodes, philosophical questions, etc. I found Orville was just social commentary after social commentary without any of the additional flavours.
My all time favourite episode is Measure of a Man, which of course is a social commentary, but it's more of a philosophical question of what we consider sentients and "life" to be. Even with Zero, I think his name was? I didn't get those same vibes.
Jump straight to the second season, the first episodes are too comical, later he gets a better balance of TNG and Seth's humour.
Also, it is unfair to compare measure of a man with anything. one of the best episodes in TV history.
I did actually watch the first and second season, and just never really enjoyed it.
And fair, I wasn't trying to compare them directly, more pointing out that Star Trek has many episodes that have little to nothing to do with social commentary. And it seemed like that was the ONLY concept being explored in Orville, with sci-fi as a backdrop for funsies.
how dare you besmirch the name of DS9 like that
I think calling DS9 TNG would be more besmirching.
youre right, i misinterpreted what op said.
DS9 is kinda it's own thing
DS9 was good, I should rewatch it, but it has a different vibe than TNG, The Orville is closer to TNG than DS9.
not a bad thing.
youre totally right i read best TNG since TNG but heard "best star trek since TNG" and those are absolutely different things/vibes.
no problem.
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