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I know it's a common joke, but man steak elitism is so lame. So long as they eat & enjoy the steak, why do you care how it was cooked?
Recently, I was telling some older people about what a Rickroll was, and I mentioned why I thought Never Gonna Give You Up worked so well. Some of the reasons were that it was instantly recognizable in the first second of the song, that Rick Astley doesn't look like you'd expect if you'd only heard the song, that he dances the whitest white guy dance ever, and that the song itself is actually a pretty good song.
My brother heard that and immediately strongly disagreed with me, saying that Never Gonna Give You Up is an objectively bad song, that everybody agrees, and that's why they hate being Rickrolled.
It topped the charts in 25 countries when it first came out, but it's a bad song? I guess that can happen, but I don't think so in this case. What I think happened is that the song has been associated with a negative meme so prominently that some people judge it by that rather than on its own merits.
Anyways, my point is that I suspect that the Rickroll meme has influenced my brother so that he cannot enjoy a song that he'd otherwise like. I think there are parallels to the well-done steak thing. Sometimes, memes can ruin otherwise enjoyable experiences, even if they're just jokes.
I think I broadly agree, that while the joke in isolation is inoffensive it's been the frequency with which that joke is used in a context where it literally "yucks someone's yum" that has characterized it so negatively for me. That's a very interesting perspective, thank you!
You're right of course, but the difference is that done Steak is simply not a pleasurable experience as opposed to Never Gonna Give You Up
So you knew it was a joke, in response to a joke post, and you still felt the need to respond that way?
A joke that is lame despite being common, yes. You can still be toxic, even if you're acting that way ironically.
I know it's a common complaint, but man joke elitism is so lame. So long as they chuckle & enjoy the joke, why do you care that they made it?
Get over yourself, dweeb. And stop diluting the meaning of things like "toxic" with overuse.
The degree to which someone enjoys their steak cooked is a choice that effects nobody but themselves - mocking someone for it is a choice that affects someone else negatively. Which I assume you know, and your reaction is just down to not enjoying having your poor behavior called out?
My reaction is due to being baffled why someone would respond this way to a post about a species that famously likes much of their food raw, or even still living.
You are a douche. People who like their steak medium-well do not need your douche ass riding to their rescue. If they can chew that leather they're tough enough to handle themselves.
i gotta be honest here. she sounds respectful. you appear to be the douche.
In my opinion, he only seems to be respectful. It's not sealioning, but it's something akin to that. Maybe there's a term for it, I don't know.
(She) Um. No, I'm actually being polite because I'm a polite person. It's not a conspiracy, and it is again genuinely worrying that you can't accept someone politely disagreeing with you, instead assuming that they have to be doing it manipulatively.
A polite person would have just moved along instead of picking a flight over a perceived slight that doesn't even exist given the context of the joke.
"If you were really polite, you'd have meekly let me insult you" No, uh... no I don't think that's how this works.
You might want to remind yourself who responded to whom's comment with a little insult first and reevaluate.
Your initial joke was somewhat rude, which I pointed out. You have then gone on to spend a couple hours fairly viciously insulting me, lambasting my character, pulling a "fake-geek-girl-esque" purity test and framing my motivations as intentionally manipulative, all because I called your joke...
er...
"lame".
How your ego will ever recover from such a crushing slight, we will perhaps never know.
And how could you ever live with yourself if you didn't point it out and give yourself an opportunity to whine?
And there was no purity test, just a possible explanation that didn't involve you being insufferable, but you successfully put that to rest.
Again, I called your joke "lame".
In response, you've spent hours viciously insulting me while trying to turn it around so that you were the aggrieved party. Even if I were just whining, which I wasn't even doing, your response has been wildly disproportionate to the slight you're attempting to manufacture.
I don't know how long you think it takes to bang out a couple sentences, but I assure you, it's not hours.
However I do have a lot of time on my hands right now. I'm keeping someone company in a hospital overseas as close to 24/7 as I can manage. And because they are often napping, and I don't speak the language so the T.V. is no good unless there is tennis or soccer on, and the hospital wifi blocks streaming, and if I streamed in cellular I'd use up my foreign data very quickly streaming; I'm left with going back and forth from reading to lemmy when they're asleep. So I've got all the time I need for as long as you want to continue.
Somehow the fact that you have spent hours viciously insulting me for calling your joke lame feels far more pertinent than quibbling over the semantic point that over those hours you did not literally dedicate all of your time to doing that, something nobody here actually thought.
But does go some way towards explaining this whole mess. You're existing in that awful space wherein crushing boredom is combined with extreme stress and disruption to your sleep schedule. I've been there, and I know exactly how difficult it can be to be in that position and keep a firm handle on your reactions. I'm truly sympathetic, and I hope that once things settle down you're able to conduct yourself in a way that more closely represents who you are as a person, and I hope that whoever it is makes a speedy recovery (or if this is hospice, I hope they pass painlessly).
You thought enough of that wording to use it twice.
I assure you, being retired this isn't particularly stressful, these things are easier to handle when you can devote yourself fully. And even when this stress is gone, I will still be one of the multitudes that think you're a piece of shit and have told you as much.
... Dude this a conversation about how steak is cooked.
I called one very minor thing you did "lame". It seems genuinely concerning that your reaction is this extreme over such a very mild callout.
No, it is not about that. This was a joke about Klingon food preferences. You decided to make it about how thin-skinned you are about your food preferences, or worse, riding to the rescue of people that can speak for themselves.
Maybe you're not a big Star Trek fan? In the future if you're in a niche community and you run across a joke you don't get, maybe just move on instead of twisting it into something you can get your daily offence boner from.
holy shit. i was correct. you are a complete and total douche. talk about a nerd ego.
That isn't nerd shit. I'm just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they just missed the joke instead of whining about something unrelated. Just because this is Lemmy doesn't mean everyone likes Star Trek, maybe they came across something in all and took it the wrong way, but judging by their other comments, apparently not. They did just want to make something all about themselves.
Ooo, throwing the nerd gauntlet?
Gagh, likely the most famous klingon dish and which is famous for being eaten alive, is also canonically served as a stew. Lots of other klingon dishes we know about are also fully cooked - boiled K'rada, stewed Racht, blood pie, etc. Your characterization of klingons also arguably differs from the canon - it's presented as an act of extreme disrespect for another klingon to alter the food Alexander is eating. It follows that, much as humans do, Klingons have personal culinary preferences - and that it's considered rude to mock someone for them.
You're trying to make this into some grand slight against you, when again the worst slight towards your character has been to call your behavior "lame" and your direct personal attacks "extreme". I understand you don't like being called out, sure, but you might want to step back and reflect on your behavior a little.
I love this for you. It’s a beautiful response.
Do you understand that that's worse? I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt by suggesting mabye you just didn't get the joke and thought it was a generic poke at people that like well-done.
But you did get it, and yet you still had to make it all about you to give yourself an opportunity to whine about something.
They next time a group of friends or coworkers makes plans and they don't include you, and you're sitting around lonely wondering why, this is why.
Ah, so now that I've demonstrated my nerd cred is vastly larger than your own and your defense of "it was a joke in canon" doesn't work, we're dropping that angle of conversation and shifting directly back into personal attacks with a sprinkling of unwarranted superiority. I like how you went back and edited in that last sentence, presumably because you didn't feel your comment was insulting enough? Which really should give you pause here. Why do something like that? I hope this behavior is just the product of a truly foul day or even intoxication, and that in the future you're mature enough to revisit this with a less toxic attitude.
You most certainly have not, else you would be aware of all the instances in the shows and movies a Klingon had made fun of someone for eating, or appears disgusted by, non-living Gagh. They may respect others choices, but they'll still rib them a bit over it.
I dropped that angle because you demonstrated that you did get the joke and you just woke up today and choose to be insufferable. A choice that I would bet you make more often than not.
Yes, all those instances where food preferences were shown to be highly individual, and calling them out is shown to be rude. The exact point I made earlier in fact, that not respecting others choices is rude. I'm glad to see you agree with me, but I'm... confused as to why you're continuing to insult me while doing so. It's rather muddying your point here.
How does it muddy the point? You being an insufferable douchy dweeb that makes things all about themselves to have an opportunity to whine is the point. Except where I was incorrectly trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
You do remember how you just agreed with my point, yes? If this is just going to devolve into you attempting to save face by starting a flame war, I'm not particularly interested.
I have not agreed with you at all. I'm starting to wonder if this is all due to you having a problem with reading comprehension.
You did, though. And ah, I was wondering when you'd start being ableist.
I did not, and do not, agree with your interpretation of Klingon norms and mores. I dropped it because that was a digression caused by me incorrectly trying to come up with an explanation other than you being a natural born douchebag. But you successfully stomped all over that and have proved to me that you are just the absolute fucking worst.
And again, you should try to avoid cheapening serious words by using them where they don't apply. It's not ableism to wonder about an explanation. It would only be ableism if I gave you shit for it, and only then if it was actually due to a disability and not you being willfully ignorant. I suspect that this is a choice you've made, but that's just a guess. If I'm wrong, you have my sympathies. But until you tell me otherwise, I'm going to keep assuming you are the way you are by choice and/or inclination not caused by disability.
Oh, more of this.
You have spent hours both insulting and projecting motivations onto me - my earlier characterization of calling you toxic was possibly premature, but it has been utterly vindicated by your subsequent behavior. And no, attempting to explain the behavior of someone you've spent hours spewing various forms of invective against as being due to a fundamental flaw in their ability to reason (poor reading comprehension) is indeed ableism. That you're now trying to couch it as somehow originally having been intended to convey that 'I have chosen to have poor reading comprehension' is both absurd and transparent, and I think we both know how flat it just fell.
I look forward to your next entry into whatever this is.
I've found that if someone doesn't seem to be picking up what I'm putting down and puts some wild spin on it the most likely explanation is that they're a fucking jerk that doesn't bother listening/reading and hears/sees whatever they want to so they can keep being a fucking jerk. I don't jump to disability for an explanation.
I'm not even sure how you could choose to have poor reading comprehension. I remember once being a very young child looking at words and not automatically reading them, but no matter what I do I can't willfully have that happen as an adult. I suspect the same is true of comprehension - unless you just spectacularly poorly phrased this and you just meant that I was intentionally misinterpreting you, it seems like a real stretch to imply it wasn't a comment on my capacity for reading.
Lol, literally. Thanks for the laugh. Did you intend to perfectly encapsulate the kind of behavior I was talking about? My previous comment was just two sentences, and only one mattered. But you're a dick that doesn't think other people's words are worth your time so you just saw what you wanted to see so you could keep being a dick.
It is a comment on your capacity for reading, but a self-imposed one