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[–] pedantichedgehog@sh.itjust.works 92 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Women are criticized no matter what decisions they make. This is a way that patriarchy reinforces itself.

Edit: relevant essay: https://www.sevanoland.com/uploads/1/1/8/0/118081022/there_is_no_unmarked_woman.pdf

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 34 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yup. This is why I can’t tell if I’m trans or if I just want to be unmarked.

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

This really hits.

Like, ok, my OS didn't ship with gender.exe, that's an aftermarket DLC consisting of 95% cosmetic skins, and I'm busy trying to roll out kernel patches. Sorry about that! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I only run it to avoid social issues and/or because it's the path of least resistance. And even then... I've only ever thought "I am doing A, B, & C, and avoiding X, Y & Z because they expect me to and it's just easier".

I know I don't want to change my gender -- there's not much there to speak of in the first place. I simply want to do what I like. On the other hand, I know that this is "not normal" because most other guys seem way more attached to their gender, like it's an existential threat to them if I cross an imaginary line while existing next to them. And they act compelled to know "what" other people are, as if they'll implode because they won't know how to be around them!

So the best thing for me to do is to get around people who care about other people LARPing at gender just as much as I do.

(To be clear, I have absolutely no problems with anyone else wearing the gender layers of their choice, and wearing them proudly. As long as they're not an asshole. I actually kinda envy this, because for me it's like wearing a parka in a hot car. Changing its color won't do anything, I actually just don't even want it, I want to live my life without carrying around these heavy rulesets for what color my shoes need to be. LMAO, hope you can find it in yourself to forgive me! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, I feel similarly. I would very much just like to be seen as a robot/friendly ungendered alien by society. I’m happy wearing super gendered lingerie when I feel it’s called for, but that’s private. I’m also happy wearing a binder at home, but don’t want to wear one in public.

Unfortunately, the least gendered choice is sometimes the most marked. Like, I would have had to answer a question about it every time someone saw a wedding photo of me if I’d worn a suit, so I wore a dress. I didn’t care much, and it was so much easier to just go along with expectations.

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I learned something new today! Thank you for linking this!

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 2 points 7 hours ago

No prob. I did a bunch of flags for pride month, so I only just learned it, too.

[–] TechieDamien@lemmy.ml 6 points 12 hours ago

From what you described, it sounds like you may be agender, ie don't have a gender. Not that you have to use a label or anything, but if you want to explore it further, it might help too know what to look up ;)

[–] Viceversa@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I suspect there's pressure from peer women too. Are there any non-partriarchal societies to check for it?

[–] pedantichedgehog@sh.itjust.works 8 points 13 hours ago

I don't know of nonpatriarchal societies, but there have always been women who enforce patriarchy. Consider, for example, "tradwife" influencers. Or look at the moms who let their sons get away with murder with a "boys will be boys" while reprimanding their daughters for not being responsible.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 6 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

The Jewish culture is semi-matriarchal

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 7 points 14 hours ago

https://youtu.be/_OczEtjzCQA

Documentary about Jewish women trying to divorce their husbands.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 14 hours ago

emphasis on the "semi"

there's still a lot of male privilege and overt male control

[–] Viceversa@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Do jewish matriarchs demand children from their daughters / daughters-in-law ?

The Internet doesn't give me a definite answer on that matter 😔

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 6 points 14 hours ago

They absolutely do

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago

Generally, yes. There is pressure from older generations regardless.