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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

It's sadly such an uphill battle these days -- especially in the post-CU era -- that requires once-in-a-generation candidates like Obama or Bernie to overcome the fucking cliff of an uneven playing-field. That Americans didn't see Trump for the existential threat he is, or that Harris was better in every conceivable way to me proves this

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 7 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I think a lot of Americans did see Trump as an existential threat and that's why they voted for him. He was the "blow everything up" candidate, Harris was the "everything continues as it is" candidate.

This is literally the most charitable thing I can say about a subset of Trump voters. They actually did have a point there. A lot of people voted for Obama because he was the change candidate and this time around Trump was the change candidate. Almost entirely bad changes, of course, but some people were so desperate for change that they figured it was worth rolling the dice.

Just a subset of Trump voters, mind. Most of them were probably just awful people who saw a fellow awful person on the candidate and went "me like." But if a subset had decided not to vote for him we wouldn't be here now so they were significant.

[–] Tujio@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

That would be a reasonable argument a decade ago, before we knew exactly what he's about.

Voting Trump in 2016 is something bad that a person does.

Voting Trump in 2024 is something that a bad person does.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

In one respect I can see why they'd think this from a point of ignorance, but also, that disgusts me so much. Accelerationists are always so willing to volunteer others for the chlorine shock treatment without their consent. Just look at the deaths wrought by Musk's DOGE alone that dwarfs Gaza and Ukraine, combined. Elections are so consequential.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 3 hours ago

Yup. The "you can't make an omelette without killing a whole bunch of people" mindset.

The annoying part is that it's not entirely wrong, IMO. At this point I think the best hope America has is for those Trump voters to feel the pain of the situation they have brought upon themselves, and for the Democrats to be pushed far enough to finally shake off the DNC establishment. America needs another Roosevelt at this point and there's no way someone like that would have got on the ballot or been elected under the past few decades' conditions.

Sure would have been nice if everyone had just been smart about all this and we hadn't got here to begin with, but we go to the ballot box with the electorate we have rather than the one we hope for.

[–] TheGoldenV@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Agreed. Now that Scrotus has removed all constraints on spending I expect this to come to a head very soon.

I’m incredibly disappointed that people were taken in by Trump a 3rd time. Since we’ve gotten this bad I imagine that the horror is going to have to visit these Trump voters personally, each and every one. Then and only then will they understand.

The trouble is that by the time they get it it’s going to be very bad here.