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Real hard to imagine what isn't "roughly the same" if this is qualifying
That chart shows a TREND of a delta, not an actual approval rating. But the actual numbers say otherwise:
So overall approval rate is 38% for the less educated it's 41%, that's the same as we've seen every fucking single time there's an approval poll. He has actually been way lower before, but it's within the margin of error.
So same same. How they get those delta values, I have no idea?????
The reason I don't care to read those kinds of articles anymore, is that they are ALWAYS lying. It is NEVER an all time low. Ir's just more of the same. AFAIK Trump was down to 32% approval at some point, this is 6% HIGHER!!!
Not necessarily saying you're wrong... Just pointing out your explanation isn't making direct comparisons.
This chart is "net", which is "approves minus dissaproves", and it's important that you can respond with "neither approves or didsaproves".
So you can have a lower approval rating (32) with a higher NET approval rating, if the "neither approves or dissaproves" chunk is larger.
If a higher approval rating results in a lower net (which is what these numbers are), it generally means more "fence sitters" have definitively shifted to flat-out dissaproval.
So, haven't looked at the data, just noticing your argument seems predicated on a partial understanding of the specific metric this reports on.
I will, they're dead ass wrong and it's super frustrating because I see this shit everywhere and it comes from a combination of the facts that a) Americans don't get enough education in how to interpret statistics and b) a lot of news media will just cherry pick whatever statistical results they want to tell whatever story they want (e.g. want to make people think the socialist revolution will happen tomorrow, look at what women under 40 think; want to make everyone think Americans are heartless psychopaths, ask independents how Trump is doing on immigration; want to think absolutely nothing has changed, look at GOP approval numbers; etc.)
Look at a bunch of different polls and the directions they've all moved while reading them carefully to see precisely what they're measuring and how and it is absolutely undeniable that most Americans hate our president
The headline clearly states approval rating, not the trend of the delta between approve-disapprove.
You can actually have more or less of both, and have that trend go either way. It's not a good metric.
The net result is the same we've seen so many times before, that in the American population about a third still approve of Trump!! In this case it's even a little higher than the it was a couple of months ago.
The headline states "all time low", which is a trend, which this chart shows
Oh yeah you're right about the headline. I hyperfixated on the graph that was posted which was showing net. My b.
Really? I totally thought -20% of people approved of him, that would have totally made sense and been a real thing that could happen /s
Not true, you say it yourself
In one poll (which, btw, now has him at 30%, because different samples and different methodologies produce different results
If you look at the trend within basically every set of polls out there he has definitely gotten continuously less popular every month with everyone
e; Apologies if I was an ass in this or other comments in this thread, but the way that a lot of people talk about polls and how they're reported makes me lose my mind because I believe being able to have informed conversations about public opinion is really important to a healthy democracy and I think we have lost that a lot in the last 15 years and that's a big part of why everything is so screwed up right now