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The Brazilian police were wrong and completely overreacted to the situation, to me it’s like they were almost looking for it. There have been a few instances of Brazilian police going OTT with footy fans and it needs to be discussed.
At the same time, Argentina fans were racist, have been racist in the past and show no sign of stopping their racism. They also need to dealt with properly by FIFA, this is a consistent issue.
Why do Argentina fans keep going? I understand the Brazilian police is awful but why even go and put yourself in that position
Because it's nice to call us "monos" in our faces. Then you get arrested for racism.
Oh shut the fuck up it's not like they're doing the nazi salute riding king tiger tanks menacing the stadium, there's no "at the same time", a small group of argentines said some racist shit in a heated argument with brazillians, this stuff happens on spanish pitches when they get heated, on italian pitches when they get heated, on english pitches when they get heated, hell, even brazillian domestic pitches when they get heated
This isn't on the Argentine fans, I assure you most of them went there to have a good time at the temple of football that is maracaná, only to have a traumatic experience
Both Side-ISM is only credible when there is Equivalence.
There is none in this case. What some idiot said to another fan resulting in mass Police violence is NOT Both-Side did wrong X domain stuff.
Bad-ness exists on a gradient. If your solution to resolving that so called Bad (racist exchange) leads to what happened, then your solution is not only wank but itself a higher order of criminal than the original freaking Bad-exchange that started this (IF it is what happened).
Who said that? I said both actions are wrong but I never said they are related. I don’t believe the Brazilian of police action is justified even if racist remarks are made.
I also don’t believe Argentine fans should get away with their racism because some other Argentine fans were attacked.
Your comments do that here because weightage isn't accounted for.
It's often also a trope in media articles where they write 10 paragraphs of what is wrong and then 2nd last paragraph is a passing reference to what likely is okay/good.
Which would be fair IF there was Equivalence in that Good and those 8 paragraphs of Bad.
One has to clarify the DEGREE when using terms like "Both Sides did Wrong". It is not a given because a Given implies there IS Equivalence.
To be honest our police, specially the one from Rio is ALWAYS looking for an excuse to act like complete bloodthirsty animals.
"Hello black teen from the favela. *Shoots him in the chest*. Oh, was that an umbrella instead of an assault rifle? Oh my, sadge, let's file this under the isolated incident number 3481"
The same is for the constant violence towards argentinian fans. They know that tensions exists between brazillians and argentines, the moment a fight occurs they have the green light to go wild. After the fact those acts can be justified due to racists remarks from the argentines and they get to dodge the blame much more easily.