I see the whataboutism campaign is up and running at full steam, as was expected...
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The Brazilian police were wrong and completely overreacted to the situation, to me it’s like they were almost looking for it. There have been a few instances of Brazilian police going OTT with footy fans and it needs to be discussed.
At the same time, Argentina fans were racist, have been racist in the past and show no sign of stopping their racism. They also need to dealt with properly by FIFA, this is a consistent issue.
To be honest our police, specially the one from Rio is ALWAYS looking for an excuse to act like complete bloodthirsty animals.
"Hello black teen from the favela. *Shoots him in the chest*. Oh, was that an umbrella instead of an assault rifle? Oh my, sadge, let's file this under the isolated incident number 3481"
The same is for the constant violence towards argentinian fans. They know that tensions exists between brazillians and argentines, the moment a fight occurs they have the green light to go wild. After the fact those acts can be justified due to racists remarks from the argentines and they get to dodge the blame much more easily.
Why do Argentina fans keep going? I understand the Brazilian police is awful but why even go and put yourself in that position
Because it's nice to call us "monos" in our faces. Then you get arrested for racism.
Oh shut the fuck up it's not like they're doing the nazi salute riding king tiger tanks menacing the stadium, there's no "at the same time", a small group of argentines said some racist shit in a heated argument with brazillians, this stuff happens on spanish pitches when they get heated, on italian pitches when they get heated, on english pitches when they get heated, hell, even brazillian domestic pitches when they get heated
This isn't on the Argentine fans, I assure you most of them went there to have a good time at the temple of football that is maracaná, only to have a traumatic experience
At the same time
Both Side-ISM is only credible when there is Equivalence.
There is none in this case. What some idiot said to another fan resulting in mass Police violence is NOT Both-Side did wrong X domain stuff.
Bad-ness exists on a gradient. If your solution to resolving that so called Bad (racist exchange) leads to what happened, then your solution is not only wank but itself a higher order of criminal than the original freaking Bad-exchange that started this (IF it is what happened).
Who said that? I said both actions are wrong but I never said they are related. I don’t believe the Brazilian of police action is justified even if racist remarks are made.
I also don’t believe Argentine fans should get away with their racism because some other Argentine fans were attacked.
Who said that?
Your comments do that here because weightage isn't accounted for.
It's often also a trope in media articles where they write 10 paragraphs of what is wrong and then 2nd last paragraph is a passing reference to what likely is okay/good.
Which would be fair IF there was Equivalence in that Good and those 8 paragraphs of Bad.
One has to clarify the DEGREE when using terms like "Both Sides did Wrong". It is not a given because a Given implies there IS Equivalence.
This entire thing was a shitshow, but frankly this was all worsened by the horrendous performance of Brazilian cops. Theyre genuinely ten times worse then most USA cops
Are you sure about that?
Is this a Brazilian police version of "he was no angel"?
Yes, they always say the same and here you are going to have a lot of brazilian defending the actions of the police.
Imagine if we have to believe the word of the ones hitting people in the head but you know how some people are they will believe anything instead of say they were wrong.
Yes. It's a consistent line that gets regurgitated to dehumanize Argentinian fans and excuse the lack of accountability.
Its pretty sad that a spectacle like Brazil V Argentina @ Maracana has the potential to have you leave the grounds on a stretcher in grave condition because another fan did stupid shit.
Arrested for racism?
I've seen this line used repeatedly as an excuse to dehumanize and therefore justify violence against Argentinian fans.
How about some common sense, you're dealing with a minority of racists and some that are just trying to get under people's skin (still gross and wrong obviously). Racism and prejudice is everywhere very much in Brazil as well and yes it's repugnant but so is being xenophobic.
But yeah it totally the "racism card"
Apparently people need to pay to be released so I wouldn't be surprised if this is a racket to extort foreigners.
Extort argentinians? LOL
u/smcarre
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Racist Argentines at it again.
One racist Argentinian out of the several thousands that were in the stands that day seems like a pattern to you?
You are racist yourself I don't know why you have a problem with Argentinians being racist in particular.
One racist Argentine got caught*
And you presume the rest are guilty based on... that's right you are prejudiced against Argentines!
Si les hubieran pegado a ellos como nos pegaron a nosotros en el Monumental estarían diciendo que fue un ataque racista de la policía, que rompe bolas son.
Menos mal que no nacieron hinchas de Boca, sino sufrirían todos los días por insultos en twitter.
I mean your country has a history of harbouring Nazis and pushing POC people out the country soooo not just one person
Name me one county that didn't do any of those things.
So your prejudice against people that live now is based on what happened decades ago. What would you think about people from Germany, then
Common in Brazil, they are an embarrassment every single time someone goes there to play, their cops are the worst of the worst but Conmebol and FIFA won't touch them. Any other South American nation pulls the kind of crap Brazilian teams and the NT pull whenever anyone goes there and their stadiums would be suspended for a year plus millions in fines.
Isn't that like and englishman being "racist" towards a frenchman? or is it racist that i think they're all the same?