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He didn't say, but he would have been correct if he did
Thousands of people died. But who gives a shit about them, right?
The people didn't deserve that, but incredible violence been done in the name of the country, so it's inevitable that someone would strike back.
But it was honestly a gift to the warhawks in that country. They immediately used the political capital to attack a convenient and unrelated middle eastern country.
Yup. That is exactly what violent expressions of hatred results in.
So what lesson did you learn from the end result of using violence out of hatred towards a country?
That had we not had a history of committing acts of of mass violence in other countries, we wouldn't have deserved to have one committed upon us. We did though, so we do.
If you're selectively empathetic than any claims of empathy towards people in other countries is suspect. I think you're likely a psychopath.
You can both empathize with the loss of innocent life, and understand that it was consequences of their collective actions. If someone where to stab someone, and that person stabbed them back, and the attacker dies, you can both mourn the loss of life, but also understand the attacker deserved what happened to them. Had we not accepted the warmongering, corporate, fascists, controlling our government, we would not have slaughtered 100's of thousands of people in foreign countries in the first place, thus avoiding the retaliation we received. That attack was defensive. Your previous comment implies that if a country is attacked by another, they should not attack them in return, because it would be underserved, which is just completely naive pacifism.
That we can feel superior to all parties by pointing out the obvious?
Saying people deserve to be the target of violence isn't being superior to anyone.
People live in countries. People die when countries have wars.
You have to be a real psychopath to forget that countries are made up of people.
I think no one **objectively deserves anything, so I’m not disagreeing with your sentiment but I think I get tripped up by the anthropomorphism more than the concept of certain people deserving specific rewards or punishments for actions of any particular type
Edit to add objectively and specific
Yes, violence is bad.
They did. They didn't deserve it. USA, however, armed, trained and killed people who commited that attack, and did nothing to prevent this kind of retailation. If you kill someone's family, hand them a loaded gun and turn around, you deserve to get shot.
Not that "deserve" is the best word to explain blowback, but I'm sure you can bridge this gap in semantics, and understand that victims aren't the people blamed in that context.
Yeah, you can't explain it because it's obvious. Only a psychopath thinks it's fine to kill some office workers and fire fighters out of some fucked up perversion of "justice" because some other group of people getting killed by some other psychopaths at some other time.
Your way of thinking isn't any different from the people you hate.
USA as entity deserves hate of the world, and hate radicalizes people into becoming "psychopaths". Acknowledging the fact that USA created opportunity for 9/11 to happen doesn't mean it was good that it did. Even now, when USA is waging this senseless war with Iran and people see their families murdered for no other reason than Trump wanting to steal some money, that is creating more people so full of hatred and frustration, that they will see violence against anyone they associate with their enemy as justified. I'm not (and neither is anyone speaking of blowback) saying that the cycle of violence is good or justified, but recognizing that USA starting it and continuing to escalate it LEADS to the potential blowback is necessary. Furthermore, nobody is saying that Al-Quaida or Osama bin Laden bere justified in planning and executing 9/11. And I'll even go as far as to say that they might have done that sooner or later regardless of USA murder spree in middle east, though it would be completely different timeline and very unlikely. They didn't do that in vacuum, however. They had all the reasons (and don't forget about training and weapons they received from USA) to hate, to be radicalized the way they were, to go crazy from the suffering that was inflicted on them. Do you understand now? Nobody is saying that 9/11 was good, or that Al-Quaida was good, or that the victims deserved to die. America deserved a blowback for what it did in middle east. It created support for those ideas in the minds of people who lost everything because of USA. The more hatred it caused, the more likely a blowback became. Only reason I say "deserve" is not the perfect word to explain it, is because the way it is usually used suggests some sort of justice being served, invokes emotions of satisfaction with someone bad getting punished and so forth. However, you claiming that "america deserved 9/11" means the same thing as "people who died in 9/11 deserved it" is just sophistry on your side. You know they aren't the same statement. And if you didn't, well, now you do. Stop being obstinate.
That's a lot of text to just rationalize why it's fine for you to be the same as the people you hate. You're just white washing your hatred with a very thin veneer of something to do with nation states which is exactly the same thing the US does when it bombs countries.
You're no different from the people you hate. You should be judged in exactly the same way you're judging others.
Who are the people you claim I hate, and what judgement have I bestowed on anyone? You're barely making any sense with your responses. And I'm pretty sure you're not reading mine.
The very first thing you said. Do you normally act surprised when people say you're hateful when you furiously type out some long text (without paragraph breaks) about why a whole country deserves to be hated in an effort to rationalize violence against citizens of that country?
You're misattributing hatred, and trying to twist my words into something they never were. You claim that I personally hate some people, and as a proof of that you cite me writing that (explicitly "as entity") USA deserves to be hated by the world. Not only is USA not its people, I didn't even say that I hate USA. I said that USA deserves hatred for what it does, and plenty of people that were negatively influenced hate it. USA is hated. USA did things deserving of hate. People are radicalized by this hate into extremism. Are you disputing that?
Next, I never claimed that any violence against any people is rational. As a matter of fact, I explicitly stated that perpetuating this cycle of violence isn't just. But people who suffered incredible violence from the USA won't agree with me, and those people will continue harboring hatred towards USA.
Third, I'm not adding line breaks when I respond from the toilet, get real. And neither am I "typing furiously", I'm trying to explain to you why the phrase "USA deserved 9/11" isn't emotionally charged and is just objective point of view. I don't know what did you read from the "they didn't deserve it" or many other points I made about the victims not being the ones to blame. Also, you still failed to explain your threat of me being "judged in exactly the same way you’re judging others". So far I'm judging you as a troll at best and illiterate at worst.
USA did nasty stuff that caused people to be radicalized and to take arms against its people. I don't know how you're reading from that that I approve of actions Al-Quaida killing innocent people. The blowback was expected. That doesn't mean it was justified. You do have to understand that 9/11 was a result of USA foreign policy. I don't know man, you should reread (or do that for the first time) my previous comments. Understanding the history that led to 9/11 is necessary to understand why it happened, and claiming that USA didn't do a lot to deserve it happening is just either ignorant or delusional.
Have you ever lost anyone? I don't know if I need to explain how loss makes people act and believe in irrational things, or how trauma can reshape kind people into violent extremists, but I hope you can extend the same empathy you have for the victims to 9/11 to the victims of USA wars, and understand how the violence against people can make those people act violent. Are you saying that a young person seeing their whole family getting murdered by American bombs shouldn't be expected to grow to hate USA? And if that person, through their entire life, is assured in this belief that all USA does is murder and pillage by seeing USA doing exactly that, are you surprised that they might become an extremist? Become irrational enough to do a terror attack? And if none of those make any sense to you, and you can't empathize with any of those emotions to understand how was it USA's action that led to this, how exactly do YOU think people get radicalized into this kind of extremism where they're willing to do suicide missions?
Again, none of those is to justify them taking a life, neither of their victims nor theirs. It is to reinforce the point that they didn't become like this on their own. I don't know is such a concept like understanding actions of someone who's different than you is foreign to you, but just make the effort to understand how violence perpetuated by USA might have caused some people be willing to do things like 9/11. Or, to rephrase that, how "USA deserved 9/11". Which wasn't good. Nor just. It was tragic. Enabled and caused by USA. Are you following now?
Also, I like how your reaction to long arguments is "must be hateful". You must have complicated relationship with books.
They are saying that the actual victims, the folks in the towers, did not deserve to die. Everyone agrees that the attacks on 9/11 were horrendous. But the US had engaged in activities where this was the inevitable outcome. America as an entity deserved the attacks because of decades of wars, conflict, and instability it caused in the middle east, often leading to similar if not greater acts of violence in those countries. This isn't a fucked up sense of justice, but an acknowledgement that at some point the roosters were going to come home to roost.
Shut up yank