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He'd been unhappy with some stuff the Lemmy devs do for a while, but when kbin shut down, he moved to lemmy, and when piefed seemed like a reasonable alternative moved his accounts and communities to piefed.social.
Then rimu decided that a handful of most active users with hundreds or thousands of upvotes per day shouldn't get to have such an impact, so he installed a daily cap for how many votes per user per day are counted, discarding the rest. Essentially, this limits engagement in an attempt to "even out" its distribution by cutting off the top. It's an opt-out feature for other piefed instances, but on his own (piefed.social), he obviously activated it.
PugJesus, being one of those most active users, was quite upset with the prospect of having to ration his upvotes. By his own description, he'd easily fill out much of that cap just upvoting all the good-faith replies on his posts, let alone if he were to also engage in discussion elsewhere and equally use upvotes there to encourage good-faith conversation. It evidently caused anxiety and soured his experience.
Even if he were to use an account from a different instance, that restriction still affects the communities. Having migrated three times already (idk what the third one was, but given how much effort even one move for a whole community can be...), PJ was tired of it and didn't wanna migrate again. So he did what rimu wanted:
Stop engaging.
(He's around, occasionally, but not nearly as active, nor does he post as much. Can't blame him. Sure isn't helping that there's a certain subset of people that hate him for various reasons. He'd probably respond if I summoned him, but I'm not sure I want to drag him back to that topic and make him feel like he has to comment.)
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Yay my first fediverse drama!!!!
One of today's... lucky? ten thousand, I guess
You've missed so much. I won't catch you up because none of it matters, and being aware of petty drama among a group of redditors will not improve your life.
I disagree I think it will add value and wisdom to my life. I haven't spoken to another person in real life for 68 days as of now so parasocial is the closest I can get!!!
What is stopping you from being able to talk to anyone? I am in a country I don't speak nor understand the language even a little, but I still find people who speak english, failing that use translate, catch up with friends in other countrie, or internet friends.
Why is moving account such a chore, again?
Not just accounts, communities. He was managing a few communities he'd migrated over to piefed who would continue to be affected by that limit even if he switched account, essentially shadowbanning his votes at some point.
Moving a community means hoping that enough regulars see the notification to "jumpstart" the new community to the point the new posts show up in /all for the rest of the old community to pick up on it and realise they're not subscribed. You'll also need to keep reminding people posting in the old community to post to the new one instead for a while.
It's kinda founding a new community for a topic that already has an established community, then trying to get that established one to join your new one.
That's a lot of effort I can see him no longer wanting to do.
he left over internet points that don't mean anything or have a practical effect on anything?
it sounds to me like it may have been more about being able to curate the community through active engagement more than an attachment to the end product of such a feature, i.e. total profile “score” of different users’ contributions.
Ok, but this is good actually, there's a lot more accounts voting a dozen times a minute for hours than people actually reading a thousand comments a day and responding accordingly.
By Rimu's own data, there were about five users who were above the 'cap' of 240 a day. None of which he suspected of being bots.
Sorry that you can't do basic math, or understand that an upvote is precisely so one doesn't have to type a response.
Weird, a few times I've looked up downvotes on utterly innocuous posts, and its been an account that makes hundreds to thousands of downvotes while making very few or no posts or comments. I guess Rimu must only be looking at his own instance.
It should be technically possible to apply this limit to other instances users too, so you only see their first 240 votes.
Source?
Last I followed that conversation, rimu stated that it wasn't about vote manipulation or spam, just about the outsized influence of people who spend more time online (for instance because they're chronically ill and the offline world therefore just doesn't hold any appeal to them).
Your comment took a few seconds to read in my inbox. If I made a post that took off and got a hundred replies, most of which are nice but don't warrant an in-depth response, I could read and swipe to upvote each in a few seconds, leaving the ones warranting more time and a reply unread and going back for them afterwards.
If the intention is that people should comment or post more rather than (just) voting, making them vote less isn't gonna achieve that. A comment is nowhere near a decent substitute for a vote. The difference in effort between "swipe" and "swipe, think of what you want to say, consider whether it's too inane to be worth a comment, fret over the wording to avoid accidentally stepping on toes you care about, knowing that people may end up judging you for your choice of words anyway, or maybe even complain about you commenting too much in general" is monumental. The venomous treatment he's been getting isn't helping.
And even if he did comment, what if the other person replies in a civil manner? You'd like to reward and encourage that. If you're out of votes for the day, the only thing you could do is reply "+" or some variant, which would probably result in people jumping down your throat for making such a pointless comment, similar to the "this" comments. "That's what upvotes are for", I've seen people argue. Which is entirely correct, but what if you're out of upvotes? Do you just stop engaging for the day, knowing you'll be frustrated anyway?
The bottom line is that a vote cap inhibits engagement. If we wanna prevent engagement bait and karma farming, we can simply not show anyone's "score" on their profiles and moderate excessive outrage bait posts.
So this achieves nothing good, just punishes those that contributed most.
honestly sounds like he got consumed by his unending hatred. I loved the guy but he had serious issues and would debate anybody who disagreed with him. Sad to see yet another active community member get consumed by hatred and frustration
I never got the impression of hatred from him.
I mean, debate is the way to test arguments and refine understanding. If your understanding diverges from someone else's (like mine does from yours here), is it wrong to point out why you think they're wrong and either help them understand some part better or be taught by them instead?
I think that's just a different mode of communication and using social media. I know he's chronically ill and believe he describes himself as "cripple", suggesting that his body has forsaken him, which makes IRL social activities difficult and painful.
The beauty of the internet is that you can interact with people there, even if your body can't handle going to the pub or whatever. So I don't blame him for leaning more on his mind than his body and being chronically online if the offline world is chronically hell.
I think the frustration is mostly at the fact that rimu is pursuing a policy other admins have advised against and it's killing his fun. He has stated several times that he doesn't think rimu is totally off-kilter and that he gets the motive, just doesn't agree that it would have any beneficial effect on the fediverse.
That doesn't sound like hatred to me, more the disappointment of seeing a working partner you otherwise respect take steps that make it hard for you to keep working with them.
yeah hatred was the wrong word maybe. Rage?
I have a lot of rage, tbf, but it's not why I wound down participation. I wasn't tired of arguing or overwhelmed by shitheads on the Fediverse - I'd mostly kept to places that shitheads didn't congregate at by the time I left Piefed.
It was basically just a policy disagreement with Rimu over admin/coding stuff that affected my experience as a user. That's all.
When my user experience got more irritating on a technical level and promised to stay that way, I decided that I didn't want to deal with it and couldn't move all my communities again. It was just exhaustion.
On the Old Place I was never more than a lurker and occasional commenter. I only ran the comms I did because the Threadiverse lacked alternatives, and I didn't want the only topics I cared to comment on to wither for lack of activity.
The limited interaction I had with him was him coming into a conversation between me and another commentator a level deep into one of his posts. He came in hot, dismissive, and condescending towards me. When I pointed it out, his response boiled down to, "Your bad take deserves it". I tried to clarify my position and it became clear that anything I said wouldn't soften his judgement. I ended up blocking him because it wasn't worth my time. But it left me effected.
Bad faith debates aren't about the argument and, in this case, ended up being about a personality
I'm sorry that you took so much offense to being called out for an argument that blatantly contradicted its own premise?
Well, speak of the devil.
I'm going to block this account as well. Finding my comment buried deep in a discussion yet again and feeling compelled to jump in with the same snarky condescension is exactly why I don't want to interact with you. Your reliance on hostility, bad-faith caricatures, and aggressive profanity to "win" a performance is why I blocked you in the first place. By setting up a false binary where any attempt to discuss specific historical structures is automatically labeled a "noble savage" trope, you created a framework that leaves no room for actual historical specificity or nuance. There was never room for a genuine conversation.
To be clear for anyone genuinely curious about this historiographical distinction: resisting reductive materialism is not an assertion of moral innocence or 'noble savagery.' It is a recognition of historical contingency and structural logic. Human violence is real, but it is not a uniform mechanical reflex. Kinship-based warfare and state-sponsored, capitalist settler-colonialism operate under fundamentally different cultural schemas and institutional logics. Recognizing that culture actively shapes how human societies utilize power and resources rather than treating all humans as uniform cogs in a deterministic equation is standard social theory.
If you are not PugJesus and happen to see his point and the errors I made, I'm very open to hearing them. Please do take the time to understand my interpretive frame. I think I've carefully situated it such that it doesn't preclude the possibility of this happening, but recognizes the role of culture in providing a mitigating factor. I just ask that you engage in direct discussion and assume a modicum of good faith on my part. It is something I take seriously.
Here are some thinkers and movements who have influenced my views: The Cultural Turn: Thinkers who argue that culture is not merely a passive byproduct of an economic base, but an active, creative force that shapes human behavior and historical outcomes on its own terms. If they made any major mistake, it was that there was no theory making.
Logics of History by William Sewell Jr: He critiques the radical particularism of the "cultural turn" while rejecting mechanical materialism. Sewell bridges the gap by arguing that historical events can be bracketed to reveal how Schemas (cultural logics/rules) and Resources (material power) dialectically interact to transform social structures over time. If there's anything I would want anyone to walk away with, its the understanding and value of bracketing when doing history.
Antonio Gramsci: His cultural hegemony notes that cultural frameworks, ideas, and "common sense" actively shape material realities and must be engaged with as an independent site of struggle.
Bertell Ollman: Develops the idea that social relations are a web of internal relations where the individual, culture, and material conditions co-constitute each other simultaneously.
Ernst Bloch: He rejected linear material determinism, showing that humans live in overlapping cultural temporalities that prevent consciousness from simply "mirroring" the immediate economic base.
When it comes to doing history, I reject predetermined trajectories and defend culture as an active, open-ended variable. Humans are universally bound by material realities, their cultural systems dictate how they respond to those realities, making historical development fundamentally open-ended rather than mechanically predictable.
"By setting up a false binary"
Excuse me, but you were the one who fucking opened up with
Which is utterly and completely wrong on its face, and doubled down on it by vaguely asserting 'culture' as a reason why it didn't happen, despite the ample evidence of intertribal displacement and systematic violence aimed at cultural erasure.
I'm sorry that you're still clinging to notions of a 'noble savage' that dehumanize Native Americans in the hopes of providing a neat and comfortable foil to colonialist atrocities. I'm also sorry that you don't know a single goddamn thing about Native American cultures beyond this noble savage caricature.
You never attempted to discuss specific historical structures, you dismissed a vast amount of historical evidence that any student of the Americas beyond the high school level would be aware of. And, on top of that, you blithely regarded the position as fundamentally not culturally chauvinist to insist that a particular culture engendered pure and noble virtue, unlike those other, evil, colonialist cultures.
Which does not actually address the issue that your assertions had, nor my objections. Since my objection wasn't "Culture doesn't affect anything" but rather "These are all things that quite verifiably happened, and the core reason for them not happening on a larger scale is material, not moral or cultural," especially as your incredibly unserious assertion was on a vague 'Native American' culture, as if there was such a monolith, even just within the continental US, wherein the only real commonality was a chalcolithic or pre-chalcolithic level of material technology. India and fucking pre-Iron Age Germania had more in common than that.