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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 444 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Because they all use the illegal Colossus 2 data centre from SpaceX/XAi/fascism central and that data centre went down.

Google, Anthropic, and OpenAI all have contracts with them.

When that illegally running environmental disaster of data centre goes down, all those services all go over capacity and you get 502 rate limit errors.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 127 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Does that mean Musk's businesses have access to everything people do on the systems that use their data centers?

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 165 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Generally no, because most hosting companies would have something baked into SLA/SLO contracts, but all of this shit is done so illegally and shadily now, I wouldn't put a hard "no" on that possibility.

[–] skvlp@feddit.nl 61 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I hope you’re right, but Elon don’t strike me as the guy whose most compliant to SLA, law, or anything else that might be an inconvenience to him.

[–] esc@piefed.social 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

He can't micromanage everything and regular management will try to comply.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 19 points 4 days ago

Executives are the biggest cheaters out there. They will only comply if it will hurt them if they don't, and it's won't here, as long as the protection money is produced they don't have to worry.

[–] skvlp@feddit.nl 7 points 4 days ago

I agree with that. But I think "the right" data scientists can infer too much from all those AI queries, and I think Elon can abuse that for his own gain.

[–] shartgargle@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

I highly doubt that he really knows that much, either.

[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nobody can verify that those "contracts" are actually being honored. We are all assuming the fascists will self police themselves out of good will.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Not true. I've been involved in litigation with both AWS and Google over unsecured comms that were defined as being TLS secured in SLA/SLO contracts and found not to be. Not that anything nefarious was happening necessarily, but the expectation is clear.

Whether these asshats even check for such requirements with a Musk run company right now 🤷

It COULD possibly be that they are logging every exchange happening at the network fabric between the service layers, but nobody knows unless they intentionally take steps to investigate or accidentally prove it.

[–] expr@programming.dev 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Still means jack shit. Companies will lie through their teeth and violate any and all they can get away with.

They are not to be trusted.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

You're missing the point, nobody is talking about trusting these companies.

You can tell if a connection is encrypted end to end or not. And if your paying for that service you can sue if you aren't receiving what your paying for.

In digital security nobody relies on trust if they can help it. And security matters if you want to keep a competitive edge on your competition, so even shitty companies care about that.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Impossible to know.

There are systems for doing things cryptographically secure, but I don’t know much about that.

[–] 314xel@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Cryptography? Security? FROM A GENAI COMPANY?!

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Well yeah, for themselves

Homomorphic encryption? Much slower than "trust me, bro".

[–] QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And where is said data center? For research purposes

[–] bad1080@piefed.social 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

https://epoch.ai/data/ai-data-centers/directory/colossus-2 says "Memphis, Tennessee, United States" but also provides satellite imagery

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The numbers of this madness are fucking scary, 1.5 GW of compute power, and huge arrays of cooler to keep it operating. It's basically a 1.5GW heater in the open. Oh and gas turbines to provide (part of) the electricity. Capitalism is burning this world down for a buck.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Today I learned that “AI” data centers use more energy than time travel.

[–] shrugs@piefed.social 9 points 4 days ago

i bet they will also travel us to the apocalypse much faster

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I was about to say, slightly less according to Emmett Brown, then I checked and it's only in the French version that it says 2.21GW. TIL.

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[–] teslekova@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago

Ah, so Colossus 2 is the target. Remember that, everyone.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's kinda surprising,

I know specifically where one of the big ones hosts its models and its not there, but I guess they could have infrastructure in there.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 days ago (3 children)

They’re oversold though, especially prompt caching and the parameter count war

The US model is that they think more training compute and parameters will result in the winning model, while the Chinese are focusing on RL and parameters efficiency due to compute limits.

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Reads like American vs European/Asian cars

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Always ready to try brute force first. And then some other, less palatable options if that doesn't work, like slightly less brute force.

[–] percent@infosec.pub 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The efficiency of Chinese models really is impressive. I generated sooo much code yesterday with Qwen3.6 35B-A3B running on an RTX 5060 Ti 16GB (+ a little CPU offloading). It got the jobs done at ~50 tokens/sec.

(It's not super complex code, just some scripts that I would not have taken to time to write manually.)

I'd love to upgrade to something with more VRAM, but even my current card has doubled in price since I bought it last year 😬

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] percent@infosec.pub 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

There's not really anything interesting to show. It's just a home server in a 13 year old desktop ATX case.

There's no desk, monitor, keyboard, or mouse... But also no cool server rack.

Function over form, and it sits in a spare bedroom out of sight.

EDIT: I found the receipt for the case. It's a Cougar Volant Black Steel mid tower, purchased in 2013. So my server just looks like this:

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I meant your LLM stack lol. I just have an RX 6800 XT in my main Linux PC for inference, but it has to share VRAM with the DE. Maybe I'll set it up for remote development from my laptop instead to free up VRAM.

What are you using? vLLM? llama.cpp? Which params? How much CPU offloading? Do you use draft models? Is it a MoE model? Have you tried llama-swap? Which agentic front-end are you using? I presume you set it up to access it without SSH'ing into the machine, did you do anything special or is it just a raw unsecured open port on the machine to the LAN?

[–] percent@infosec.pub 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ohhh lol. Yeah it's Llama-swap, running llama.cpp for now, but might add vLLM to the llama-swap config to experiment with NVFP4.

I mainly use MoE models so I can get decent speed while using a 150-200k context window. My go-to model has been Qwen3.6 35B-A3B for a while. I tried Qwen3.8 27B, but it was too slow.

Gemma4 26B-A4B also runs nice and fast, but I generally get better results from Qwen3.6. I don't remember exactly how much CPU offloading is happening, but it's not much. As long as I can get like 40-50 tokens/sec, I'm usually satisfied enough.

For the coding harness, I've been running Pi in an Apple Container (sort of like Podman, but better isolation in a microvm). Though, I recently configured VS Code to use LLMs on my server, and it was actually pretty decent. Still need to explore a bit more, but so far VS Code's AI capabilities seem much better than they were a year ago (they seemed way behind, back then).

Also, I don't connect any harness directly to llama-swap. I have another container running Caddy, which acts as a gateway to AI providers. For other services (e.g. OpenRouter), the API key is injected in the Caddy container. I don't like having API keys or secrets anywhere where LLMs can read them. It's not so bad for my own self-hosted LLMs, but not cool to send secrets to a server owned by someone else.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How has tool use been for you? I struggled a lot with tool use with Gemma and Qwen, to the point where I needed to build a healing layer.

Regarding the coding harness, I was looking for something CLI-based or JetBrains-based, and I haven't had much luck getting my local llama.cpp models playing ball with OpenCode. They keep losing context and misusing tools.

I'm not too familiar with Apple containers as I'm running a full Linux stack, but I'll give Pi a try, seems interesting! Does it work for coding tasks or is it strictly an "orchestrator"?

[–] percent@infosec.pub 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Tool use with Gemma has been hit or miss. I wouldn't rely on it for anything unsupervised.

Tool use for Qwen3.6 has been great lately, but I do remember seeing some issues with it too, a while back. I don't remember when/why the issues cleared up (I have tweaked configs a bit over time), but switching to Pi definitely helped.

I do remember having a lot more problems in OpenCode and it was practically unusable (which is why my recent experience with VS Code was surprising). I'd definitely recommend trying Pi.

A fresh Pi install is very minimal by design. The system prompt is tiny, so it's a pretty good fit for small LLMs like these. It's sort of like Neovim: Nothing fancy out of the box, but you can add lots of fancy things to it. I containerize it because I don't like giving LLMs (especially these small ones) unrestricted access to my host computer – though, I have not seen any signs of it accidentally doing something destructive, which is surprising.

There are similar alternatives to Apple Container for Linux (e.g. Docker Sandboxes, muvm, Firecracker). There's also this thing made specifically for Pi called Gondolin. I haven't tried it yet, but I may end up switching to that if it could simplify my stack.

Here's my current llama-swap/llama.cpp config for Qwen3.6 35B-A3B:

qwen3.6-35b-a3b:
    name: "Qwen3.6 35B-A3B (Coding)"
    proxy: "http://127.0.0.1/:$%7BPORT%7D" # If you're seeing a `/` after `127.0.0.1` here, don't include it. I think something in Lemmy is trying to "sanitize" this input by adding the `/`.
    cmd: |
      llama-server
      --port ${PORT}
      --no-webui
      -hf unsloth/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-MTP-GGUF:UD-Q4_K_XL
      --jinja
      --parallel 1
      --flash-attn on
      --no-mmproj
      --load-mode none
      --reasoning-preserve
      --ctx-size 190000
      --temp 0.6
      --top-p 0.95
      --top-k 20
      --min-p 0.0
      --presence-penalty 0.0
      --repeat-penalty 1.01

A few notes about this config:

  • Now that I think of it, --reasoning-preserve might be another thing that helped with tool calls.
  • Note the -MTP part of the -hf param. MTP helps speed things up. Here's the Huggingface page for this model
  • You can also omit --no-mmproj if you need vision, but it might mean sacrificing speed or context size, so I usually just enable vision in a separate llama-swap model entry to use as needed.
  • Unsloth recommends --repeat-penalty 1.0, but I saw the LLM enter a thinking loop in VS Code, so I bumped it up just a tiny bit to 1.01. I have since seen it do something that resembled the same thought loop, but it was able to recover on its own. Not sure if it's a coincidence or if 1.01 was actually the solution, so worth some experimentation.
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[–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 4 days ago (8 children)

it has to share VRAM with the DE. Maybe I’ll set it up for remote development from my laptop instead to free up VRAM.

eh, just systemctl isolate multi-user.target

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[–] teslekova@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Considering which country is better at building power stations, that's a fascinating dichotomy.

The US going for brute force when the brute force is more available in China... Priceless irony.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

China doesn’t have the near the amount of compute resources, but they can run less efficient servers for cheaper, so it’s a wash.

[–] AnalogAllamma@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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