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In football its is a widespread belief that in order to be remembered you need to win silverware.
Hungary of that time is one of the exceptions to that rule.
Nonsense. Hungary '54 and Netherlands '74 lost in final, but are still remembered fondly.
It’s hardly “nonsense”. OP said that Hungary are one of the exceptions. There’s not that many teams who didn’t win a tournament who end up remembered to that extent.
Hungary are unusual too in that they only had a brief period with those players. If they were from a different country and stayed together as a group they would have had another go in 1958.
This Hungary team only had 1 major tournament. Hungary withdrew from the 1950 WC, afaik it was because of the 1952 Olympics (which they won and I have no idea how highly it was regarded back then), then they played in the 1954 WC (there were no Euros at the time, it only started in 1960), and then the 1956 revolution happened.
Yes that’s what I was referring to in my post. It was a brief period where they were the best.
The Olympics was regarded as relatively important then. Not to everyone but much more than now. It’s why the game against England had added prestige as they were arriving as Olympic champions.
So exactly what OP said then.
Nonsense, it's exactly what OP said.
So like 2 teams over the last 70 years? (Id personally add Brazil and the Netherlands 1998 as well)
Totally disagree, Hungary '54 and Netherlands '74 are remembered even though they didn't win silverware IMO
Though you just mentioned the same 2 teams as the other reply. Those are the 2 major exceptions (obviously there's others too)
Ya think?
I love how English can confuse someone if they're not well-conversant with the language.
How do you mean? Did i say something wrong
It's grand, but the structure of your first sentence could be quite complicated for a non-native speaker.
I think he was just joking about silverware and hungry.
Most people’s minds, when fluent in a language, will often literally autocorrect mistakes like that and only recall them if they deliberately attempt to, you’re fine
The only slight grammatical error was putting “its is”. And even then that’s so nit picky. The sentence was perfectly worded.
I'm referring to how the other guy in the thread completely missed the point of your argument.
Your comment made perfect sense just to clarify.
Honestly the Hungary team that lost the 54 final is more famous than the Germany team that won it.
Not in Germany
That Hungary team only lost one match between 1951 and 1956... the 1954 World Cup final
And they beat germany 8-3 in the group stage but somewhow couldnt beat them in the final
It's amazing what a lot of rain and mud bundled with removable studs does to a mf.
No, they are not. The general public doesn't even know about them. They are pretty irrevant. Uruguay who won last during the stone ages are remembered more fondly