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Tua has 22 TDs, 14 Turnovers
Allen has 29 TDs, 15 Turnovers
Both are turning it over too much for 11 games played. The main difference has been that the Dolphins run game is really good. Dolphins RBs have A LOT more TDs than Bills RBs.
Allen has one of the lowest turnover worthy throws in the league, about 5 of his interceptions haven't been remotely his fault
Down voted for PFF, I am guilty myself of scoffing at it when they said Allen has the most “turnover worthy throws” and now using it as an argument when he has a low amount of
He had a lot of turnover worthy throws last year though...
The Mahomes experience.
Allen also has 7 rushing TDs and Tua has none.
Problem is that Allen clusters his scoring and turnovers. Feast or famine works for the defense and some position players but not QB1 in the National Football League, Boomer! Let's throw it back to Gus.
Few of allens could have been from a rb easily.
Bills run game is fine but JA audibles out of run plays all the time
Does whether a fumble is lost or not really matter when evaluating QB play? Like obviously it affects the outcome of the game, but they still lost the ball, just because one of them got lucky and had a lineman fall on the ball more often than the other doesn't make them a better QB.
Thanks for writing this out more accurately compared to what OP posted. I was thinking Tua had 20 turnovers
Can you please explain to me because I still get 20 when I add up ops 10 and 10. Are those numbers incorrect?
Yes. Tua has 10 INTs and 4 lost fumbles (14 total turnovers). Josh has 12 INTs and 3 lost fumbles (15 total turnovers). The post has total fumbles listed so Tua has 10 fumbles but 6 were recovered by the offense and Josh has 4 fumbles but 1 was recovered by the offense.
Dolphins whole offense and supporting cast is better than the Bills. The Bills just fired their OC mid season because he stinks and Allen still puts up these numbers.
Bills have a better line, we have better weapons and a better playcaller. I refuse to get in the QB debate because both are good at what they do.
Funny way of saying Allen is clearly better ;)
The bills have 18 turnovers as a team a little under 2/3rds of the regular season, whilst the dolphins have 19. Last year in 17 games the eagles had 19, chiefs had 23. Bills would have just under 28 and dolphins just over 29 if their averages through the first 11 games held up for the remaining 6.
Clearly looking at Super Bowl calibre teams, they both turn the ball over way too much, scoring is overrated as you can score every possession and be perfect as the QB, doesn’t matter if the other team plays the possession game properly.