This post is written on https://normals.me/ and delivered to !fediverse@lemmy.world over #ActivityPub, so if you are reading it the basic plumbing works. Now let me explain what is this.

Normals is a forum with communities, threads, and questions with an accepted answer. It is a single instance, not software you can host, and the core is closed for anti-abuse reasons. The federation module will be published separately with implementation notes (FEP-67ff).

What federates today Every community is a Group actor following the Lemmy model (FEP-1b12). Follow @selfhosted@normals.me or any other community from Lemmy, PieFed, Mbin or Mastodon.

Posts and comments go both ways. Replies from your instance appear in the thread on Normals, replies from Normals go back to the origin.

Remote content is labelled with its origin, links back to it, and is never copied. Media loads from the source.

Signed fetches, so it works with instances that require authorized fetch. NodeInfo 2.1 is up.

Policies, in case they matter to you, it has no ads, and no paid reach, and of course no AI training on posts. AI crawlers blocked by default, public mod log with reasons, and no automated removals. Numbers at https://normals.me/transparency so please take a look.

If something from your instance shows up wrong here, or something from here shows up wrong on yours, reply with the URL and I'll fix it. Andy Piper mentioned NodeBB uses the same group model, if anyone runs a NodeBB instance I'd like to test against it, if possible.

I hope we all have fun. Cheers!

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[+] rglullis -10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why does your comment smell of elitism?

Yeah, it would be better if the code was FOSS. But at least it was released, the author seems to know the important parts of AP integration and is asking for constructive feedback. This is one million times better than developers who keep their purely organic, 100% fair trade software projects in a virtual shelf for fear of being criticized.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, it would be better if the code was FOSS. But at least it was released

The code was not released though, unless I missed that part of the post

[–] rglullis 1 points 20 hours ago

Right, what I mean is the software was released.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is it elitism to call out vibe coding now? What a world.

Not to mention that their understanding of what tailwind is seems patchy at best, despite claiming that they have 15 years of experience.

[–] rglullis -4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The elitism is in thinking that using AI for some parts of the application (the frontend) nullifies the whole project.

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 16 hours ago

It does.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It does if they're minimizing and lying about it

[–] rglullis 1 points 22 hours ago

Sure, but then first you need to have minimal evidence that they're lying about it. All I have seen so far is a bunch of people acting assuming the worst possible behavior and acting all judgmental about it.

It's this type of toxicity that keeps people (users and developers) away from the Fediverse.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I very much doubt the AI use is confined to the frontend. But I don't see why the frontend is fine to vibe code while other stuff is not?

Using AI as a tool is fine. It can be very useful for programming. But "vibe coding" is using it to an extreme degree where the AI is producing almost the whole thing, with a very small amount of guidance or design from the user. That's what I would object to. Such a thing has very little value, anyone can vibe code such a thing.

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Using AI is bad in general. Plain stop.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think that's a very nuanced position. LLMs can be an incredibly useful tool for programming. It would be silly not to use such a tool. Yes, it has its shortcomings and it can be used badly by amateurs but in the hands of a professional with good guidance, it can help a lot. Vibe coding doesn't fall under that category though.

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Some opinions don't have to be nuanced, sometimes the truth's completely on one side. This is one of those cases.

Read this and you'll understand why I hate AI so much.

[–] rglullis 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I very much doubt the AI use is confined to the frontend.

We can only be sure if/when they open the backend code.

why the frontend fine to vibe code while other stuff is not?

Many reasons:

frontend code has a lot less variability than backend
users already expect some common UI/UX, and AI has been trained on these so much that it rarely gets the basics wrong.
UI code is not part of the core business
buggy frontends may be bad to users, but they are a lot less likely to cause catastrophic errors in the whole system.
lots of developers do not care about frontend and think that it's s just about "making it pretty", so they are happy to delegate this work to a clanker.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most of that is fair except

UI code is not part of the core business

That I definitely disagree with. UI and UX is important.

Still doesn't make that vibe coded frontend worth anything.

[–] rglullis 4 points 1 day ago

UI and UX is important

It is important, but worrying about UX instead of shipping is the easiest way to avoid shipping. If you don't agree, just check Craigslist, ebay and many other profitable companies with complete outdated frontends.