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City roads should be ‘ripped out completely’ to fight pollution, says government adviser
(www.telegraph.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 02 Dec 2023
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Not a horrible idea if you have solid, simple, and actionable plans to replace them with robust, simple, and effective public transport options. Otherwise… yeah, a bit too far.
Uh huh, and what about material delivery to stores, restaurants, &etc in the city? What about postal service?
We should absolutely invest more in public transit, but light rail and buses are not logistics solutions.
Trains carry cargo all the time. I don't think it's too crazy to suggest light rail be adapted to do the same.
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And we're going to build rails to every store, restaurant, and other business that needs cargo pickup & delivery? And run a train to each of them, every day? And you think that would end up being more efficient/environmentally friendly than trucks?
Every store? Obviously not. Running cargo trams through major business or industrial districts, though? More plausible, if the will exists.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarGoTram
Something like that, but as a public service.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarGoTram
This went from one logistics center to one production facility. It is insane to think that this could be a scalable solution.
Wow, a train line goes defunct in a country that heavily subsidizes car infrastructure and actively works against other modes of transportation. I'm shocked, really. Shocked.
I didn't say anything about it going defunct. That has to be one of stupidest attempts at a straw man I've ever seen.
I pointed out that it only ever carried material from one location to one other location, and that such a system would not be scalable to serving an entire city.
Did you even read my comment?
Mh, why do you think it never grew beyond "one line serving one location"? 🤔
We did have more extensive tram services transporting goods in the past: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Straßenbahn_in_Hannover#Güterstraßenbahn
You know, before this country became the world's largest car exporter and started to dismantle its train network...
Lol, nobody is talking about entire cities, but do go ahead talking about strawmen.
It's literally the title.
The title is "cities need to be entirely served by trams for transporting goods"?
Are you sure you can actually read?
Sorry. Good luck transporting a washing machine or full kitchen on public transport.
Have a look at the Netherlands friend. I've seen people towing dishwashers behind their bikes more than once while living there.
A dishwasher isn't that heavy. A washing machine is.
We primarily use small vans. Eg. Utrecht, the example mentioned in the article:
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.088105,5.1191065,3a,75y,353.3h,83.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swsuMJHo-eVnOoD-GPERjkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
And that's fine. You can have almost no cars, but still use vans when they're required.
Hell, do like the small Swiss town in that Tom Scott video. Abolish cars for private individuals or the able bodied. But you'll still need (small, electric) cars and vans to transport the heavy stuff.
That and tradespeople often use their van as a mobile workplace. Tablesaw, semi-complete inventory of parts they may need, etc.
You joke, but I have done this. Wheelchair accesible trams are awesome for this. Put appliance on hand truck walk it into the tram. No heavy lifting required like when loading it in a car.
A washing machine? That shit's heavy.
A cheap logistics hand truck carries weights up to 250kg. If you need more it become a bit annoying because you need to switch to using OSB Boards with casters.
Source: My life and helping friends move.
Bonus: Hand trucks are really convenient to transport full size kegs and CO2 bottles to parties by tram.
Who said we were abandoning all of them?
Street vs Road.
You can totally have delivery vehicles for stores on a street, but no other cars are allowed.
This is different from "ripped out completely", which is what is proposed in the article. So the answer to your question is that Dr. Fuller said that.
Apparently you didnt read past the headline and dont want to understand the content.. welp, cant help ya there.
You mean that 'rest of the article'?