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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 91 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Replacing the buttons with a tablet has always been a cost saving measure on Tesla's part that was marketed as "futuristic", physical switches and dials made of plastic and metal as well as the underlying components will never be as cheap or as easy to wire as a simple touchscreen control. Other car companies followed suit, because Tesla made a method of reducing their own manufacturing costs hip, so many of them jumped on it.

But, Tesla tablets were designed with the belief that this cost saving is possible because of the delusion that full autonomous self driving is possible with existing hardware through software updates. When self driving didn't happen after a decade of trying, people realized how inconvenient and dangerous it is that the only way to adjust the AC, stereo volume, and sideview mirrors while driving is through a tablet with no tactile feedback. So now, we are finally seeing that trend reversing.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Especially when the buttons move around in the GUI after an update so you accidentally press the wrong ones, or end up having to search the menus while driving.

Perhaps this could change when we have mainstream tactile displays, but until then buttons will always be better.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think using a car tablet is equally as dangerous as texting and driving. Voice control would actually be better for adjustments while driving.

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Realtime non-cloud voice control is still unreliable. Gonna be a while before that can replace physical buttons.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 points 10 months ago

I don't want to have to talk to my car. Just have buttons and knobs. This shit was figured out 30 years ago.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Horseshit. My Pentium 133 could do it in 1997.

The send-to-the-cloud thing just exists because tech companies have a pathological fetish for recording, analyzing, and storing every single little thing you say and do and then trying to sell it to advertisers. Or train AI's with it these days, or whatever the fuck else. The only marginal benefit you might get is that they can update their algorithms server side and not have to update your car or other device. But the technology has been mature for literal decades, so I don't think that's terribly important.

That said, I still don't want my car to have voice control. It's just as stupid as a concept as making everything touchscreen.

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

Speech to text is one thing. Actually understanding all the intricate details and variations of language is incredibly difficult. It’s good enough for some stuff, but I’ve yet to see a system a system that’s reliable enough for day to day use, especially in a car.

Scenarios like this happens way too often:

“Set alarm for fifteen minutes”

“Ok, setting alarm fifty minutes from now”

“No! FIFTEEN minutes”

“I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean”

“Remove old alarm and set it to fifteen minutes instead”

“Playing song on Spotify…”

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Indeed and it seems attainable now, if it weren't for the expensive hardware and massive energy required for general pre-trained transformers. Don't want my car to call home just to run a neural network on Azure, it needs to run locally.

[–] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 months ago

There's Gemini nano which will run on phones locally, so I think we can have that soon enough

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't think autonomous driving had anything to do with the initial choice. It might be a reason now, but I don't think it was the initial driving factor.

You left off it being marketed as clean and minimalistic. I think that's different enough from futuristic. Some people love that aspect, some outright hate it. (Edit and I mean this in a looks fashion, not a functionality one)

[–] computerscientistI@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Also, Tesla's button replacements actually do work more or less reliably. The other manufacturers decided to save money by adding a potato instead of a potent CPU that powers the screen in the middle of the console.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago

"Finally a use for all these leftover 1st gen Kindle Fire CPUs!"

[–] psud@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

In practice though Tesla has buttons for the controls you need while driving.

Cruise control/lane keeping/cancel is a lever

Indicators, flash high beams is a lever

Park is a button

Windscreen wiper single wipe is a button, same button is window wash

Set speed is a scroll wheel, volume is a scroll wheel (and a touch control on the passenger side)

Navigation is on screen keyboard, but you should stop to change navigation, or have a passenger do it

Climate control heats or cools towards your target temperature, heated seats and steering wheel are automatic or touch screen, but you know you need them before you get in the car

What more would you want physical controls for?

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I had huge reservations towards Tesla's control system, but in reality, I got used to it in a week. And I'm loving how clean and sleek the dashboard is otherwise. What I don't understand is the car makers who include a huge tablet AND a dozen gadgets around the dashboard. That's worst of both worlds.