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Blue cities in red states...gangs in those cities ... shocking...
If you read it, you'll actually notice there's a specifically different flavor of gun violence in both urban and sub urban areas in states with more restrictive gun laws (generally but not always blue states) and states with less restrictive gun laws (generally but not always red states).
The casual gun violence in red states is also very high, road rage, bars, in addition to areas where the crime is already high, like areas with gang violence. The amount of people dying per capita is higher in red states.
When you add in the gang violence from blue cities....yes it is. Just like NYC carries all the violence of NY state, even thou NY state is pretty damn redneck.
You're not wrong, just maybe purposefully missing the point? Actually, the majority of gun violence is suicides, have to be careful looking at the data to separate violent crime and suicide. But yeah I would agree with you except almost every other City is experiencing drops in crime and gun violence rates, even New York! Places like Florida have 20% increases in violent crime year over year in their largest cities.
https://time.com/6294021/ron-desantis-crime-florida-data/
You see Orlando catching up with Chicago there, that's wild! So yeah, a lot of that violent crime is gang activity, but gangs use guns more in "blue cities" in "red states" then their "blue state" counterparts. Data is old though and Florida is currently attempting to go through a data collection sea change to match FBI recommendations.
*Need to note, the pandemic crime levels went absolutely insane everywhere, and just about the entire country saw general crime rate increases in the 30-50% range, this is specifically a discussion of gun violence.
So if the cities are blue in both red states and blue states, but the cities in red states have more gun violence, what could possibly be the difference between the two to account for the increase? Could it be that more lenient gun laws lead to more gun violence?
Nope, poverty, most red states do not take care of their poor. With poverty comes deeper rooted gangs and drug problems. Hell look at some of these dumb states saying they won't take federal money to feed the impoverished children of their state. Guns aren't our issue, our shit politicians who don't want to try and help those at the bottom which create 95% of all the violence. Children growing up without anything but gangs and drugs to call home repeat that cycle. Tossing them in jail just furthers it even more. We need to be helping these people, not pushing them further into poverty. A good start would be single payer healthcare, dumping money into the schools and making sure every child is at least taken care of until they are 18 no matter what their parents are doing. This is a cycle we're letting continue that can be stopped. We just need our politicians to stop being greedy pieces of shit