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[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 55 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

It was less that and more the Democratic Party completely rigging the election, and committing election fraud, in plain sight for the primaries.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's also the way baseless smears (he owns more than one home! He once wrote something that, if taken completely out of context, is misogynist!) were amplified by neoliberals. The same neoliberals that would throw a hissy fit if someone mentioned how much Hillary "earned" from speaking to banks and hedge funds.

[–] Hobbes@startrek.website 13 points 10 months ago

Or that she said marriage is between a man and a woman. Just ignored that one didn't they(

[–] misophist@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My understanding is that the US primaries are private affairs and the organisations can pick their candidates however they want. The democrats certainly did some unethical shit to snub Bernie in favor of Hillary, but I don't know if Primary shenanigans can qualify as the crime of election fraud (unless some of the states protect their primary elections in the same way they do for real elections).

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, they can't legally qualify what happened as election fraud, but I certainly qualify it as such.

[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

See this is what I disagree with when you have states that actually fund the two parties. In Washington there are tax allocated resources for the gop/dems and third parties get screwed. So I think it's messed up when the party head just gets to pick.

[–] misophist@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, those 2 parties have had a stranglehold on our entire lawmaking infrastructure since anybody currently alive was born. They've had a loooooong time to implement election rules and campaign finance laws that only benefit themselves at the expense of those smaller parties.

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

If they want to turn themselves into the government, they ought to be beholden to the constitution for their elections.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

the Democratic Party completely rigging the election

Its very hard to do the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" rah-rah election dance in The Most Important Race of Our Lives, when you've got "elections are horribly run and routinely compromised by party insiders" rolling around in the back of your head.

I've been a Texas resident for my entire voting life, and the GOP nakedly fucking with the elections process is just something I can't talk about to anyone.

[–] Case@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As a Texan, I concur. I've talked about it.

It either falls upon deaf ears, or it's quietly agreed to and pushed into the background so as not to cause waves.

When polite discourse doesn't work, it leaves people looking for alternatives to talk.

Sadly, being humans, violence inevitably is proposed at some point.

I don't condone violence, but Martin Luther King Jr. made a salient point, "A riot is the voice of the unheard."

The grand experiment that was America is crumbling before our eyes, and I am unsure if we as Americans can make things better without it getting worse first, and ultimately becoming something else in its place.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Sadly, being humans, violence inevitably is proposed at some point.

Cornered rat engages in uncivil conduct, news at eleven.

I don’t condone violence, but Martin Luther King Jr. made a salient point, “A riot is the voice of the unheard.”

There's a real argument that MLK's movement was a failure thanks to its refusal to engage in civil defense. Getting chewed on by an attack dog on the Montgomery Bridge wins you some sympathy points on the national stage. But, in the end, the Walter Gadsdens of the 1960s were replaced by the Sandra Blands of the 2010s. Police moved the violence from the streets to the prison cells and the liberal voter base lost sight of the problem.

What can men do against such reckless hate?

The grand experiment that was America is crumbling before our eyes

The illusion that we fashioned in the 70s and 80s is, perhaps, fading. The story we were all told in grade school about America being this beacon of liberty, this shining city on a hill, is wearing thin. But the America we're left with isn't that different from the America we started with when the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 60s kicked into high gear.

The Reagan-Era papered it over so long as a big portion of the whiter population could live fat, happy lives in the suburbs. Now the suburbs are failing and white professionals are no longer this privileged segregated class. We're being forced to live in the same shit as everyone else, while some asshole bureaucrats in DC and on Wall Street hold up a big Line Goes Up graph and demand that we clap.

I am unsure if we as Americans can make things better without it getting worse first

I think, one way or another, the brutal authoritarian state we've constructed to oppress dissent is going to have to break. Maybe it'll break from too many white nationalists tearing it apart from the inside. Maybe it'll break when too many angry proletarian Millennials and Zoomers tear it apart from the outside. Maybe it'll hold and things will continue to get worse.

But somethings got to give if you want change.

[–] thalience@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I didn't see any election fraud. Can you explain how the fraud worked?

[–] Goblin_Mode@ttrpg.network 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't have any specific memories or sources on hand since it was like 8 years ago. So by all means take this with a fairly large grain of salt.

But I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the DNC actively pushing for Hillary and denying Bernie the same resources and privileges guaranteed to other candidates. Like there was a substabtial amount of money that was intended to go to the nominee, but Hillary got it well before the primaries. Also there were the emails that got leaked from DNC execs who were very openly against Bernie and discussing ways to debase him or otherwise get support for Hillary to beat him despite their role as neutral orchestrators in the primaries.

We don't know everything. Really just the email leaks and a few reports here or there. But judging by what we do have it paints a pretty damning picture for what we don't have.

[–] diannetea@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It was a lot of stuff. I'm still mad about it. Of the top of my head: they very quickly got rid of polling locations in places he was polling high in multiple states after they realized he was doing well and people were standing in line to vote for over 8 hours, they lied about stupid shit like the fake chair throwing thing they made up to make it sound like anyone on his side were violent, they ignored the caucus rules in Nevada where he clearly won based on video at the time, there was more, but it's been a long time and this are just a few examples that cross my mind on occasion

There have been a handful of times where I wish I had just written it down because I see the "I never saw/ heard about this" line often enough.

The DNC admitted collision in court, what else do you need lol

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358389-the-dnc-owes-bernie-sanders-and-all-dems-an-apology/

Now I get that this source is mainly speculative, and dependent on eyewitness account, but with how everything took place in 2015-2016, I fully see the above being a completely valid happening.

[–] thalience@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

The linked article fails to even make any concrete allegations. It simply refers to Donna Brazile's book.

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] thalience@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Also does not contain any concrete allegations regarding election fraud.

Is your precious "stabbed in the back"narrative so much more important to you than engaging with reality?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 10 months ago

They destroyed the Iowa caucus.

That was 2020 though.

[–] JonCecil@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is absolute scum. More people should hate her.