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It's fair to also blame Biden. He gave up the ability to further push back student loan payments for some concessions to keep the government open.
Wouldn’t that be blaming the republicans for making him give it up to keep the government open?
Biden didn't have to cave, he chose to. He said this thing that I said was a top priority for my campaign isn't a top priority for my administration. And politically he's going to pay a penalty to the faction of his coalition to whom forgiveness was a top priority.
That's what happens when you lie to gain support.
Well, you’re not wrong. He could have allowed the country to shut down. And maybe he should have. He’s not playing hardball for sure.
The Constitution says we pay our bills, so Biden could have told Congress to get fucked and figure it out. He'd rather keep a generation of indentured servants though, so here we are.
The constitution says nothing about paying bills. I think this example of ignorance is the reason why you are blaming Biden. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Biden cannot overrule a Supreme Court decision, and therefore telling them to get fucked would just be words.
The only people who want us to remain indentured are the Republicans, and the billionaires (usually the same thing).
Please do not go around telling lies.
But when enough liars agree with him, he feels right.
I bet they love to misquote the Bible too
"I love being misquoted, don't ever forget that" John 7:11
Nothing?
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4:
What the fuck is that then?
So, I’m not sure how this has anything to do with student debt, as it doesn’t relate to citizens at all. Or is this one of those Republican things where you interpret text to mean whatever you want it to mean, thump thump.
It has nothing to do with student debt, it's relevant to the Republicans trying to use not paying existing obligations as a negotiating tactic. The fact that you don't get that demonstrates you have little to add to this discussion.
The post is about student debt. I assumed you were talking about the topic of the post. Are you just randomly blabbering?
Republicans using this to argue against forgiving student debt is ridiculous AS YOU SAID, it has nothing to do with student debt.
Are you handing me this win?
Handing you a win? Bro, you can't even follow a thread with enough comprehension to grasp what's being discussed.
What do you think is being discussed?
mwguy said it's fair to blame Biden for giving up on the student loan issue for concessions to keep the government open
You asked if it would be more accurate to say that Republicans forced Biden to give up, so they are to blame
I said that the Constitution doesn't allow Congress to decide not to pay national debts, so Biden could have played hardball, but he didn't, so it's still fair to blame Biden
You got all butthurt about not knowing what's in the Constitution and couldn't follow what I was even talking about, and here we are.
It was the Supreme Court, so I’m not sure what you’re going on about.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-rule-bidens-student-loan-forgiveness-plan-friday-rcna76874
That happened after Republicans fought it by threatening to shut down the government. Why are you here to argue if you don't have a grasp on what actually happened in the first place? Fucking hell, no wonder you don't get it, you don't know what fucking happened.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/01/12/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-early-student-debt-cancellation-for-borrowers-enrolled-in-save/
The timeline of events in 2023 clarifies that the issue of student loan forgiveness and the budget negotiations in Congress were largely separate matters. The federal budget for FY23 was passed on December 23, 2022, covering the fiscal year from October 1, 2022, to September 30, 2023.
The Supreme Court's ruling on the Biden administration’s initial student loan forgiveness program occurred in June 2023, well after the budget had been finalized.
White House reveals draft plans for next student debt relief plan
Progressives worry Biden’s new student loan relief proposal is too small
Furthermore, the discussions and subsequent actions on student loan relief were not a part of the congressional budget process but were instead separate initiatives pursued by the executive branch. This distinction in timing and process indicates that the student loan forgiveness issue was not negotiated out of the FY23 budget by Republicans, as it was not part of the budget discussions at that time.
Edit: removed a link I didn’t copy correctly.
No, no it doesn't. Feel free to quote the part you think does and I'll be happy to explain why you are wrong. But, the US Constitution says nothing of the sort.
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4:
Your turn, explain how I'm wrong.
Edit: Where'd you go Sylver?
Agreeing that a debt exists and agreeing to pay back a debt are two different things. The budget doesn't argue whether the debt exists, just how and when it will be payed back. It is the difference between "Yes, I owe you $100, you'll get it back someday.", and "Yes, I owe you $100, and I've budgeted to pay you $20 a week for the next 5 week until we're square."
The consitution guarantees the first part, but doesn't help much with the second. However, without the second part everything grinds to a halt.
It's more like
They can't do that but Biden let them
Hey look, another person doubling down on stupid.
Yeah he randomly tried to cancel student debt just to fuck with you. Good lord.
We tried (not really, lol) so you have to vote for us again so we can try some more (lol, we won't really).
-DNC
Let me know what the GOP or an independent did when you get a minute. Shouldn’t take long.
The other side being literal fucking Nazis doesn't give the Dems a pass to keep a generation in perpetual wage slavery. Fuck off.
Grumpy bitch lol
The 20k would have forgiven roughly 400 bil in loans. When that was shot down, Bidens admin kept quietly forgiven 5bil here, 8 bil there, which has now risen to 136bil and counting.
It's not the 400bil we hoped for, but 136bil forgiven is far, far more than any admin has ever done to relieve student loan debt.
That doesnt even take into account how they doubled the minimum income limits that affect how much you have to repay on an income based plan, given a complete and free exit out of default, zero interest while making payments, retoractivly approved people who should have had them forgiven, on and on. They fixed so many bullshit aspects of repaying the debt and have gotten basically zero credit for it because its complicated and not sexy like "20k!"
Read the fuck up on what good they have done and i think you'll be suprised.
I understand what they've done. But Biden didn't promise to "do something." He promised broad forgiveness. And it was clear that many Dems were going to hold him to it. He shouldn't be surprised he's not getting credit for half measures, especially when he had the power to keep student loans deferred.
Biden did not promise broad forgiveness on the campaign trail, he said he was open to it. He made no promise at all, much to the irritation of progressives. He stated that he agreed we should forgive 10k/person as suggested by several senators, but it wasn't a campaign promise.
What his admin did was 100% pushed for broad forgiveness anyway, in the only way possible. Since he couldn't get it with a new law due to the GOP in the house and senate, he used the executive power he was granted by an earlier law, but the GOP supreme court found a flimsy excuse to stop it. How is that Biden failing?
He did have the power to keep them deferred, but he had to give that up to prevent a ugly government shutdown. He made a concession, because in a divided government that is something you have to do to keep the government working. In basically every other regard he absolutely rolled McCarthy in that negotiation, preventing tons of fucked up thing the GOP wanted. It was a ugly choice, but the right one.
My loan that should have been forgiven was not I blame Biden because he just shurg and moved on like it never happen. Fuck him. If not for Trump or current gop runners he get my vote.
It would have saved me 20k, but I get the realities of the situation. The GOP really did rig it to hamstring him, so its no suprise it worked.
His admin is still forgiving loans, and they're working on a harder to fuck with alternative, so lets see how this goes before writing off all hope.
Ah yes, the horse blinders approach. Focus on on one issue and pretend the rest of them around you don't exist.
And for this fiscal year, they STILL don't have a federal budget, over a quarter of the way in.