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Sanders warns Biden: address working-class fears or risk losing to demogogue
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Unfortunately the way I see it is Biden will lose for two reasons:
Regardless of policies or how terrible the alternative is. I dont think most people are going to think much past "Things are expensive now, and oh great a super old white dude".
Love how they can blame inflation on Joe Brandon, but they refused to blame 45 for anything for 4 years.
Different types of people. Its a shame Democrats have such an uphill battle to rally around candidates because those voters hold their leaders accountable, almost to a fault. The republican voter base is made of people who are basically in a cult, or are one issue voters.
Because the Dems were not yelling that from the rooftops like they should have been, so perception is set as that it's Biden's fault.
Inflation started under Trump and Trump is just as old
That's not the perception though.
Why is that the perception?
Hint: Corps are at record high profits as is wealth inequality.
Just pointing out the facts. If you’re falling for some perception then you are the problem because not only are you not paying attention but you have no concept of history or facts.
Unfortunately this country is filled to the brim with people that are clueless, can’t remember what happened yesterday, and are misled by media to believe whatever nonsense they are gaslighting today.
So ultimately you are right but people need to be reminded that Trump was front and center of all of this inflation instead of blaming someone that came in after the damage was already done.
With all of this said, why would anyone look at Biden and say “oh just another old white dude”, but not come to the same conclusion with Trump? They are both old white dudes. So where are you getting this from? This is YOUR perception.
His first play will be cannabis being decriminalized.
Man I would love to see this, but its one of those things that I will believe when I see. I hope I have to eat my words on that too. Even if so, I dont think decriminalization would mean much to people in terms of getting out to vote. Most people who are really passionate about this over other issues have had the states handle it for them already. Dems waited too long for Federal Decriminalization to be a big motivator in a national election in my opinion.
Agreed. Dems like to save popular law changes to package with other utterly deplorable actions.
They also divy it up so that it's not really a victory. "We legalized weed*!"
* For everyone over the age of 65, anybody who was born rich, if you own three patagonia jackets and people who attended an invitation only dinner with a bunch of billionaires.
Then moderates turn around and whine "Why doesn't anyone give credit to Democrats for all the good they've done???"
Too little too late.
If biden loses, a big part of why will be the single issue “genocide Joe” kids who, like their predecessors, The Bernie Bros, took their vote and went home over something that was much smaller than the potential loss of democracy.
Downvote all wish, the fact remains: had the Bernie bros not thrown a temper tantrum, there’s a good chance 2016 could have turned out differently.
Disagreeing does not make this untrue.
When do we get to blame the shit candidate who lost instead? Bernie didn't ignore and not campaign in multiple states because he thought they were in the bag, that was Hillary. Bernie didn't conspire with the dnc to put up the worse polling candidate because it was "their turn", that was Hillary. Bernie supporters didn't say "we don't need your vote" to the progressive voters, those were Hillary supporters.
This shit makes me want to write Bernie in instead of holding my nose and voting for Biden like I did last time.
When the polls reflect the proper amount of democratic voters during the election.
You fail to realize that when people stay home and don’t vote- it shows. So we’re well aware of how many of you “democrats” stayed home in 2016.
If you're acknowledging you need our votes in the general then made better choices in the primaries. Don't elect procorporate trash in the primaries like Joe Biden.
The whole 'bernie bros' voting red is a digital propaganda point started by t_d, and spun off into 3 different Bernie subreddits that coincidentally were all modded by people from t_d.
They worked tirelessly to flood facebook so it LOOKED like 'bernie bros are gonna vote against their best interests in spite'.
I mean there were a few actual progressives that flip flopped but most of them voted Jill Stein.
Dude… voting polls shows they stayed home. Not that they voted red. They DIDN’T VOTE.
It’s proven.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/registered-voters-who-stayed-home-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
And:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
Are you deliberately trying to shift the goalposts? I'm not talking about 'people who stayed home' because it is functionally useless to try and estimate the absence of considering a third or more of eligible voters just simply never turn up in any election.
The claim was disenfranchised Bernie supporters switched their votes to trumpty dumpty. The articles you linked do not support that, which is why you shifted to 'stayed home'
That is not intellectual honestly.
Talk about shifting goalposts…. I’m not talking about Bernie bros voting for Trump, you are. I never was, yet YOU comment to me about to change the subject to what YOU wanted it to be.
I was talking about everyone staying home and not voting like the “gEnOciDe jOe” people now. are now. Like the Bernie bros- they got butthurt over something smaller than the big picture and fucked it all up for everyone.
Then, in the aftermath, they claimed innocence and pointed the finger at other factors that were irrelevant. Which is VERY similar to what you are doing.
I’m done arguing about this. It’s pointless here. Lemmy is as bad as Reddit when it comes to hive mind mentality.
Yep, the 27,000 users on Lemmy.world are gonna sway this election. No doubt. /s
You think it’s limited to just the people here on Lemmy?
>Bernie bros- they got butthurt iver something smaller than the big picture and fucked it all up for everyone.
>Then, in the aftermath, they claimed innocence and pointed the finger at other factors that were irrelevant. Which is VERY similar to what you are doing.
wrong on basically every account.
I said I’m done. arguing with the hive-mind.
i don't want you to argue. i just wanted to contradict your lies.
Not about to get my account banned for disagreeing with you. Seems that happens a lot around you so, I’ll just block you so as to avoid it becoming a problem.
>Not about to get my account banned for disagreeing with you. Seems that happens a lot around you
this is the second time i've seen this accusation/insinuation. do i carry an aura of fear or something?
>I’ll just block you
thank god.
Oh man, how did you slip past security?
Exactly my point. Security. Thats what Lemmy is. Security for The ignorant.
Having contempt for voters is like blaming the weather when it rains. Maybe the candidate should have came prepared with an umbrella, but here we are.
7 Palestinians are dying every minute.
Won’t someone think of America’s democracy?
There’s a damn good chance that even more will die per minute if Trump is elected- but you can add to that his promise that he will absolutely be a dictator from day one. He’s already said he has no issue using our own military against us if necessary.
What do you think this all means exactly?
Go ahead. I’ll await your response.
One can criticize Biden, and still vote for him.
Are you having difficulty keeping up with the point of my original comment?
It’s entirely fair and necessary to criticize ANYONE for the things they do that fly in the face of human decency…
But I’m not talking about criticism. I’m talking about the people that admittedly are blatantly refusing to vote because of it- while simultaneously thinking it won’t be their fault when we wind up with a dictator in a throne.
Because they WILL be blamed for this.
It won’t be their fault. It’s their vote. It’s up to the candidate to win the vote. If they don’t win the voter’s vote; say, by aiding in a genocide, then it’s the candidate’s fault. We need to stop blaming voters because they don’t condone genocide, and start blaming candidates for abiding it.
Cut the shit. Inaction getting trump elected, is still a decision.
It’s not blaming voters- it’s blaming NON voters.
If you sit at home doing nothing- you can’t in your right mind expect to make any change in the world. When Trump gets elected because theres not enough votes to cancel out his droves of mindless supporters- it WILL be the fault of those staying home and pouting.
Want change? Make change. But doing nothing will net you exactly that.
Choosing the lesser evil is choosing evil. And nobody own another person vote. They have to earn it.
But not everyone can. And you're not helping those people get off the couch.
Hamas wanted permanent war, they got it. Palestinians overwhelmingly approve of Hamas and Oct 7. Although it seems absurd, it appears everyone is getting what they wanted.