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I think she's probably seen it used by loud, shitty people and the article's use of the monochrome flag without the "No Quarter" text (or "No .25", etc.) is making an association that doesn't exist. It's the difference between what's shown below on the left and right:
(Image description: The right side has a black and white symbol where a mid-step human shape is circled and has a diagonal slash going across to indicate "don't walk". The left side shows the same symbol on a picket sign with the text "No Black People!" underneath as an example made for this post.)
If this sign had been real and was used by certain tiki-torch-carrying shitheads, it would not make the "don't walk" symbol itself into a racist message.
there are a surprising amount of racist/racism apologists here.
also, re: your example:
nice false equivalence.
edit: also, nobody is arguing what that the no crossing sign is racist. that’s a
That image is a useful counter to what's being shown in the article you posted earlier, glad you found it. Good to know we agree on something.
[Edit: The image was changed]
Your later edit is missing the point as well. I have not said that the no crossing sign is racist. The example shows that a symbol plus an additional message conveys a meaning that the symbol alone does not.
except you can’t explain how without making a false equivalence, which is why your argument makes no sense at all.
I guess I don't see what you see in my words then. If you look up "No Quarter flag", you'll find image results showing the black and gray one linking to the article as well as some more pirate-themed ones. There are also images showing the monochrome flag in various forms. It's worth noting that these include the text "No Quarter" (or equivalent representation of that phrase). I won't hold that up as a particularly rigorous way of examining the meaning of a symbol but you can find the US Army guide to wearing flag patches here ^PDF^ in section 21-19, paragraph a on page marked 234 (though it's 251 of 367 in the PDF). It mentions a green and black flag specifically though other color schemes (including gray and black) are commonly available.
I think painting all who wear or display a subdued flag as racists / racist apologists / etc. would be using too broad of a brush. Some are legitimately shitheads for one reason or another (including racism) but a monochrome flag alone isn't a strong enough indicator and you risk finding enemies that don't exist.
probably because I’m not trying to twist myself into knots to defend racism and racist symbology with a long list of logical fallacies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
also, nice cherry-picking
You've found a nice listicle or something with those images (call me out for ad hominem next) but I think we're not going to see eye to eye on this. I haven't had to "twist myself into knots" and am certainly not defending racists and their symbols. You're rejecting explanations for common and benign use of a monochrome flag that doesn't support the outrage you feel.
were not going to see eye to eye because I’m not defending racists and racist symbolism using a bunch of logical fallacies. I reject your explanations for the reasons I explained: they’re logically fallacious and not based on fact.
and your stubborn insistence and denials don’t change that.