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“Kenny just began to gasp for air repeatedly and the execution took about 25 minutes total.”

Pretty compassionate way to kill a person.

Once again, the Law in the south is brutal.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 166 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

I personally experienced breathing nitrogen until loss of consciousness under controlled and supervised conditions for training purposes with the RCAF. I was in a room with seven other people who were all doing the same thing as well as instructors who were in here with us for safety.

The point of the exercise was to sit in a room with a mask on, recognize the symptoms of hypoxia when we experienced them and throw a lever that would resume normal air breathing once we had enough. We were given tablets with simple games to play to simulate having our minds occupied on accomplishing some tasks. We knew they were going to switch or air supplies with pure nitrogen at some point to cause hypoxia but we didn't know when it was going to happen. The room was also a hypobaric chamber but it didn't stimulate a high enough altitude to induce hypoxia by itself, it was only there to simulate the environmental signs of decompression ( fogging of the air, percieved drop in pressure, cooling sensation, etc)

We sat there for a few minutes accomplishing the tasks on the tablets (basically paying candy crush) with nothing special going on. Then I noticed that we all started breathing deeper and harder. When I looked around people were also red in the face but strangely did not feel any discomfort from it and some people were even still playing on their tablets without noticing. Some of them threw their personal lever immediately because the point of the exercise was to recognize the signs of hypoxia. But others including my competitive ass wanted to see how far I could take it and if I could outlast others so we kept going.

My breathing naturally got deeper and harder but strangely I wasn't feeling like I was suffocating. I started feeling pins and needles in my extremities. Concentrating on the tasks in the tablet became increasingly difficult and slower. A few moments later I got tunnel vision and my hearing started to sound muffled. These two effects progressively got worse until I could almost not see or hear anything anymore at which point I finally threw the lever just before passing out due to a phenomenon called oxygen paradox where when oxygen supply is resumed the hypoxia symptoms briefly get worse before going away. I didn't even notice passing out. I woke up a few moments later and from my perspective it seemed that time had skipped forward a minute. Had I not thrown the lever and there were no instructors to do it for me I would have died a few moments later.

All of this took less than 5 minutes and I never experienced anything worse than mild discomfort throughout. I don't know how they managed to make it last 25 minutes other than maybe the brain stem running on fumes and keeping the heart beating but there is no consciousness at that point. If I ever had to pick a way to be executed this would be it, provided that it is done correctly.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 98 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like they didn't remove the CO2, just gave him a mask that forced him to breathe nitrogen. Like a standard medical respirator, so he spent half an hour rebreathing his CO2 and whatever oxygen slipped in around the mask.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

I know that CO2 is what the body uses to push the sensation of "needing" air. So I wonder if that would have changed his CO2 content from what it would be in just nitrogen...

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 38 points 11 months ago (3 children)

You did that in a safe situation where nobody was trying to kill you. I don't suffer when holding my breath underwater, but the moment someone holds me down I am going to panic.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago (35 children)

Try to hold your breath for as much as you can, and you will feel an very strong urge to breathe. This doesn't happen with nitrogen.

Sure, the person is mad scared, but he's not suffering because of the nitrogen.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It is not fair to liken this to being held underwater. When forced to hold your breathyour lungs fill with CO2 which will cause pain, an urge to breathe and a primal urge to panic because your body has evolved the ability to sense this excess of CO2 to force you to breathe. But when breathing pure nitrogen your body doesn't have an evolved way to detect it besides minor symptoms that you may or may not notice until you pass out.

Yes, the very idea that you will die can be emotionally distressing but this will be common to all methods of execution.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

When I’m held down I get turned on.

[–] grilledcheesecowboy@kbin.social 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A lot of people are focused on this quote:

Witness Reverend Jeff Hood told reporters he saw a man ‘struggling for their life’ for 22 minutes as Smith became the first US death row inmate executed by nitrogen asphyxia

Which says to me that from the time they brought him in and strapped him down until he died lasted about 22 minutes and the murderer struggled physically against the restraints the entire time.

This quote farther down suggests from the time they started administering the gas until he died only took a couple of minutes:

But, witnesses said Smith appeared conscious for several minutes, shaking and writhing on the gurney.

Several could be 25, and he could have been shaking from pain and agony, but it seems more likely he was holding his breath and shaking out of fear while trying to fight and get free.

Keep in mind that the first quote is from his anti-death penalty spiritual advisor and this entire article is brought to us by a magazine with an "end the death penalty campaign".

I'm generally anti-death penalty myself, but nitrogen asphyxiation seems way better than electrocution, lethal injection, or hanging. They could probably do it better by using some kind of general anesthesia to render him unconscious and then flood the room with pure nitrogen, or even just get rid if the death penalty all together. Unfortunately this is the world we live in and so fae this is the least bad option we've seen.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 8 points 11 months ago

How dare you actually read the story!?

I do have some reservations about the idea of a compassionate execution method. It's kinda like tasers. Yes, they are a huge improvement on the alternative, but that also means they get used a lot more frequently.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

The death penalty is barbaric.

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tom Scott did a video on this as well.

25 minutes does seem like an awfully long time.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

State fucked it up ..dude it's Alabama.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The point of the exercise was to sit in a room with a mask on, recognize the symptoms of hypoxia when we experienced them and throw a lever that would resume normal air breathing once we had enough.

So you weren't fighting for your life.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That will be true for any method of execution.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

True. Maybe we should outlaw them all.

[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Had I not thrown the lever and there were no instructors to do it for me I would have died a few moments later.

You did that shit for a job? I hope they paid you well, sounds like you could have easily died if something went wrong..

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

I can't say that I'd be giggly about having my brain cells oxygen deprived for going on 5 minutes.