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[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 38 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I know you're not referring to hunting rifles, but it is very common to give those as gifts to teenagers when they are old enough to get a hunting license. In some places that's 12 years old.

My parents also made me take a course on gun safety tho....

And they wouldn't let me use it unless it was with them....

So this lady definitely still deserves her sentence. Also, no kid needs and AR or a pistol.

[–] 520@kbin.social 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Some of that stuff you mentioned needs to be mandatory IMO. I'm talking about gun safety lessons for all firearm owners.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's the pro-gun community that insists they shouldn't be. They'll literally send you death threats for trying.

[–] 520@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ok?

It's absolutely moronic that we need licenses to drive but not to own and operate firearms.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I just thought it was important to note why this kind of thing doesn't already exist.

[–] 520@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Just say that the lessons will be given by the NRA at a price and they'd probably lose most of their institutional backing pretty quickly. Money talks to republicans.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] 520@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

Exactly. Only difference would be essentially making basic safety courses mandatory.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

The NRA is already the largest gun safety education organization in the USA. Their hunter's safety education programs are basically ubiquitous across the USA wherever people go to get their first hunting license.

[–] Narauko@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Gun safety should be a mandatory class in education. Probably a multi-stage class starting with an age appropriate class in Elementary school, a more advanced class in Middle school to demystify and take some of the taboo cool factor out, and again in High school. Range time should be incorporated in High school, and maybe Middle school. We all know abstinence only education doesn't work.

[–] spiffy_spaceman@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My dad is a gun collector, so I was around them my entire life, but gun safety was also part of my entire life. We understood what they were and what they could do. So if my friends ever said "can we see your dad's guns?" It was always "no."

[–] GONADS125@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's good, and I can relate to your experience growing up respecting firearms, but children should simply not be trusted to have access.

There have been many experiments in which children find a weapon and the parents who claimed their children knew better were horrified to see them handle the staged weapon.

Children simply don't have the logical portion of the brain developed. Even in teenagers, their amygdala (emotionality, anger, fear response) is nearly fully developed, yet their prefrontal cortext (executive control, rational thinking, emotional regulation, thinking of future consequences) is still severely underdeveloped. [1]

In fact, the prefrontal cortext isn't fully developed until our mid 20s, and possibly a few years longer for those of us with ADHD. [2] This is why teenagers display heightened risk-taking, are bad at controlling their emotions, restraining themselves, and thinking about the consequences of their actions.

Under supervision is one thing, but unsupervised access to a firearm is a patently bad idea. With that said, I did have access to a firearm (.22) and I acted responsibly as a minor (only used it for target practice). But I absolutely should not have had access to it.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In some places that’s 12 years old.

Whyyy? Hunting is a dangerous sport that is 100% not required that utilizes lethal weaponry. If a parent wants to take their kids hunting, they should be 100% responsible for them including having the license and owning the firearms. 16 seems like the bare minimum to allow children to engage with weaponry, but probably older to own.

[–] krellor@kbin.social 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's a huge difference between giving a child unrestricted access to a firearm, and taking them sport shooting in a controlled environment. I've helped with beginner shooting courses for kids in scouts. There is an adult with each kid, one round loaded at a time, etc. You can similarly control the environment hunting by using blinds, etc, where you oversee the use of the firearm, loading of round etc.

I'm not big into shooting, but from a safety perspective there are ways to hunt and sport shoot with kids in a very controlled way.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Keep in mind, a person earlier in this convo said some kids get one gifted when they get a hunting license, which can be as early as 12, so you're basically attempting to change the entire claim being made... Clearly, in many situations, kids ARE ending up with a firearm under their sole ownership.

[–] theyoyomaster@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Having a .22 under the Christmas tree and having unsupervised access to it are two very different things. I know plenty of people who got rifles for their younger children but keep them in a safe with their own guns until the kids are older.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Being gifted a gun is not being given unrestricted access to that weapon. I was gifted a shotgun at 15 and I never saw it unless my dad was present. It stayed in his safe until we went shooting together. When I moved out and showed him my own safe was ready, I got it from him and that was that.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

What I'm saying is you're complaining about something no one is asking for. No one has even mentioned doing anything negative towards people who responsibly teach their kids about guns.

[–] krellor@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I gave my kid a BB gun, but it stays in a safe. I also gave my son a pocket knife for camping that stays in my night stand unless we are camping.

You can give something to a kid without letting them have unsupervised access. I gave my kids steam decks, but limit their screen time.

I agree the original comment lacked specificity. You could gift a gun in a responsible or irresponsible way, and I've seen both.

Edit: and the comment about gifting a rifle also mentioned that in their personal situation they had to have a parent to use it.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Indeed, and that's exactly what they'd be evaluated on. Responsible gun ownership should be the only kind of ownership protected under the 2a. Responsible gun ownership should not include sole ownership by those that cannot even join the military.

Maaaybe under odd edge cases where a kid gets to be their own guardian, but eh.