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Survey of 154 scholars places 45th president behind even ‘historically calamitous chief executives’ linked to civil war

Donald Trump finished 45th and rock bottom of a list ranking US presidents by greatness, trailing even “historically calamitous chief executives” who failed to stop the civil war or botched its aftermath.

Worse for the likely Republican nominee this year, his probable opponent, Joe Biden, debuted at No 14.

“Biden’s most important achievements may be that he rescued the presidency from Trump, resumed a more traditional style of presidential leadership and is gearing up to keep the office out of his predecessor’s hands this fall,” Justin Vaughn and Brandon Rottinghaus, the political scientists behind the survey, wrote in the Los Angeles Times.

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[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Hahaha at Vaughn and Rottinghaus low-key throwing shade at Biden. Let's look at their quote closely:

Biden’s most important achievements may be that he rescued the presidency from Trump,

translation: his greatest achievement has been not being Trump

resumed a more traditional style of presidential leadership,

than Trump (of course)

and is gearing up to keep the office out of his predecessor’s hands this fall,”

Predicted greatest legacy in the hopefully remaining four years: Be re-elected. Lol

Man i dunno if it was on purpose to basically reduce his legacy to "better than nothing" but they certainly stopped well short of praise, didn't they?

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

It's not just being not Trump. But he beat Trump. That's like stopping a forest fire from taking out the west coast and calling it "not burning trees."

[–] PopcornTin@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In 2009, the nobel peace prize was given to someone for not being Bush. Same difference here.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And that guy did drone strikes on civilians..

(Yes, I voted for him twice)

[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

I'd vote for him again too.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

translation: his greatest achievement has been not being Trump

No, the achievement was actually winning the election. Unlike Hilary for example.

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But, the thing is... she did. The Electoral College was designed specifically to stop the peasants from ending the rich's preferred party rule.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

2.9 million more civilian votes should have been enough. But this is 'Murica, created by the rich, for the rich, and controlled by the rich. Clinton would have fucked up that steady stream of bribes from Russia.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-officially-wins-popular-vote-29-million/story?id=44354341

[–] ExLisper@linux.community -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And Biden got 7 million more votes. That's his achievement. He not only 'would have won if not for the rigged system' but actually won. You see the difference?

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You don't understand The Electoral College, or why it's there, do you?

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, you don't understand that Biden is president and Hilary wasn't. Everything else is just some meaningless BS.

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] ExLisper@linux.community 2 points 8 months ago

Oh no! Please, don't deprive me of your wisdoms! Tell me more about The Electoral College!