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...but if you're paying for that seedbox with your credit card, aren't you creating a pretty clear paper trail between you and your piracy?
If the seedbox is in a country that doesn't care about torrenting and is hosted by a company that doesn't care, they're the only ones who would be aware of it. It's not illegal to pay for a server or to download files from your server.
What countries don't care about torrenting? Surely most countries with decent bandwidth are signed up to WIPO?
Lots of countries don't care about torrenting , at least not the way the US does. Without the riaa/mpaa going after individual users can you point me to a single high profile legal case involving an average downloader? People in alot of other countries don't even bother with a VPN. Not sure why you're bringing up a un group as I'm pretty sure that's mostly for diplomatic disputes, I've definitely never heard of it used to prosecute someone for downloading movies. This info is all widely available online. I'm happy to have answered a one off question for you but if you're just trying to be difficult I have no interest in continuing to answer your questions when the info is very easy to obtain with a quick search. There's lots of torrent friendly countries out there where the movie studios don't make legal policy.
I'm honestly not trying to be difficult. I live in the UK and used to live in the Netherlands so my concerns are largely with European jurisdictions. In both countries the government has taken steps to prevent piracy and the UK recently changed its laws to ensure 10 years prison time, though that's for "commercial" piracy only. They've also brought in Draconian new surveillance laws explicitly to combat piracy.
I bring all this up because I'm honestly confused. A lot of the seedboxes I see are based in the Netherlands (fantastic bandwidth there!) but I know that people living there are generally quite fearful of being caught torrenting (newsgroups are more popular for this reason). It seems reasonable to me that given that the authorities across Europe generally play well together that they'd share enforcement of this sort of thing, so I don't understand how feralhosting manages to function then.
I mention WIPO just because it's an international agreement that all signatories would make efforts to prevent IP violations, so I assume that this means that most countries would at least share information on this stuff.
It just seems weird is all. A seedbox in Egypt, sure, they're not likely to care about American copyrights all that much, but the Netherlands? Germany? How does that even work?
Idk I think it's just not worth those countries time to waste resources on individual piracy, just to enforce American copyright. The Netherlands is probably worried about protecting their own content, and regardless, it's the seedbox company taking most of the risk. You lived there so you'd probably know better but I haven't heard of anyone in the Netherlands being prosecuted, and definitely not anyone in North America being prosecuted for what's on a NL server. Idk its always risky I guess but seedboxes seem to minimize the risk similar to a VPN and come with other benefits if you're into private trackers etc.