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Women pinned cougar during 'hand-to-hand combat' to save friend trapped in its jaws
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30 miles from a city can go from suburbs to wilderness quickly out there. And yes killing a near threatened species because you want to go hiking in a safety bubble is exactly what you're advocating.
No, killing a specific animal that attacked a human is what I'm fine with.
Don't be an asshole and tell people what they believe without having the decency to even get it right.
Again, the more we encroach into their territory (which we already heavily have) the more the attacks will increase...so yes you are fine with killing them so you can feel safe while taking a day hike. The problem here is you're not able to understand what you are saying, you're only able to think to step 1 of the process and not actually look at the long term of it.
No, the problem here is that you're unable to not argue against what you want to argue against, even when that's not what's being said.
Guess what dumbass? You can be fine with saying we shouldn't encroach on their territory, and should scale back how much humans are actively in wild spaces for conservation reasons, and also think that animals that attack humans pose a threat and are justifiably killed.
No matter how hard you try to make responsive killing the same as preemptive killing, they're different and you just sound deluded.
No we got where we are with wolves and other predators by continually pushing into their territory and killing them because they attacked a human or livestock. We didn't actively hunt them like the NA bison. So yes you lot are a bunch of ignorant fucks, who look at the outdoors like it's your personal playground and it needs to have bubble safety nets for you.
https://wildlife.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Gray-Wolf-Populations-in-the-US.pdf
I really like how you live such an unnuanced life, where it's impossible to simultaneously believe "we should leave nature alone as a first line of defense" and also "this cougar just tried to eat someone, it'll probably try again".
Obviously someone who believes it's a good idea to shoot a cougar while it's human victim lays bleeding a few feet away has exactly the same feelings about a good old fashioned 1800s preemptive wolf cull.
Seriously, reread your own fucking source again. We culled wolves preemptively, not one wolf at a time after an attack. Are you dense?
But go ahead, keep fighting your straw man.
Given you think we shouldn't be in nature, I take it you live in a major metropolitan area and never leave?
They expanded, and killed as they expanded... exactly what we're doing right now. Stop being a dense fuck. I also work with large animals and own a rescue farm, so no I don't exist in some tiny fucking bubble like the lot of you children do.
I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse, because I can't actually believe that someone can go this long without actually seeing a difference between proactive and reactive.
You're talking like I'm saying "let's clear out the woods from these pesky predators", when what I'm talking about being acceptable is about one per year. (There have been 127 cougar attacks in the last century)
I also find the level of anger you have weird, given that you seem to be actively engaged in demolishing and intruding on the wild spaces you seem to want everyone else to keep out of.
Reactive...kill mt lion because it attacks meat lunch boxes while out on a day hike cause people are prey.
Proactive....March into Mt lion territory, get attacked...kill mt lion cause it's near you and your supposed to feel safe in the woods....
Both situations have people killing predators because they're doing predatory things.
Since you clearly didn't understand it last time...127 attacks are because we kept marching into their territory and "reactively" killed them.
Lol you a fucking idiot if you think that, I've turned my farm into a wildlife habitat and do rescue, my anger is from dipshits like you who want safe spaces to exist which involves killing predators because they did what predators do...hunt and kill to survive. You're just too fucking ignorant to understand that.
Dude, you have a farm. You're literally the definition of invading wild spaces. You chose to clear wild spaces and live there, and introduce people to the habitats that you're the angry if other people want to walk in.
In kinda stunned at the hypocrisy. If you don't want people to intrude on the animals space, move. You're not special.
With the first part, you almost seem close to getting it.
I agree that it's stupid to kill predators in their habitat because you're supposed to feel safe in the woods. You're the one who keeps thinking that anyone is advocating for a safety bubble.
Humans are not typically prey animals for any predator. One attack a year is not a pattern of strong predation.
Avoiding contact is obviously the priority, but if an animal goes out of it's way to try to kill a person it's just irresponsible to say we should let it try again.
I bought a farm and have turned it back into wild land, insects are back because I don't brush hog anything, I've planted native trees and restored two of the wetlands on the farm, wildlife is now returning to the area and bats are all over the place, because the insects are back. I bought it before a developer could purchase it and turn it into a subdivision, I've dedicated my entire income of the last decade to restoring and rescuing animals...so kindly go pound sand.
I'm not at all, the entire thread is people wanting that and advocating for killing it because it might have issues vs sedating the animal and then re-releasing it after a checkup.
Again, attacks like this are rare mainly because we have killed off most of the predators and they are now rare.